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Thread: Is Fascism Right Wing?

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Fascism is authoritarian on the social scale (it is NOT interested in freedom of the individual) and is very corporate on the economic scale, govt dictating what corporations will produce. The fascist symbol is represented by the leather strap (govt) wrapped around a bundle of sticks (corporations) with an axe (the military).



    Of course it is right wing, if you had a basic poli-sci course a person wouldn't need to ask such a question.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Half correct, liberal/left has generally wanted more control of economics, but on the social scale want more individual freedoms. Right/conservatives on social issues have trended toward less individual freedom, more towards authoritarianism.
    So, the extremely socially conservative Stalinists are not "the Left"?

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Fascism is authoritarian on the social scale (it is NOT interested in freedom of the individual) and is very corporate on the economic scale, govt dictating what corporations will produce. The fascist symbol is represented by the leather strap (govt) wrapped around a bundle of sticks (corporations) with an axe (the military).



    Of course it is right wing, if you had a basic poli-sci course a person wouldn't need to ask such a question.
    How about...together we stand as strong, united. You know... its harder to break a bundle of sticks than a single stick. And if you put enough sticks in a bundle, you can't even break them with an axe because the axe bounces back...

    That seems a bit more proper than your... interpretation.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    So, the extremely socially conservative Stalinists are not "the Left"?
    Stalin was a totalitarian, he twisted Leninist ideology into a form of "Red fascism".

    You have gone from the general (which is what I was correcting) to specific leadership.

    Again, liberalism is a movement towards individual freedom on social scales, whereas conservatism is a move toward authoritarianism.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    How about...together we stand as strong, united. You know... its harder to break a bundle of sticks than a single stick. And if you put enough sticks in a bundle, you can't even break them with an axe because the axe bounces back...

    That seems a bit more proper than your... interpretation.
    It isn't "my" interpretation, and many ideologies have used the bundling of separate units together to create a mass greater in strength than the individual unit.

    "The original symbol of fascism, in Italy under Benito Mussolini, was the fasces. This is an ancient Roman symbol of power carried by lictors in front of magistrates; a bundle of sticks featuring an axe, indicating the power over life and death. Before the Italian fascists adopted the fasces, the symbol had been used by Italian political organizations of various political ideologies (ranging from socialist to nationalist), called Fascio ("leagues") as a symbol of strength through unity."
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Fascism is authoritarian on the social scale (it is NOT interested in freedom of the individual) and is very corporate on the economic scale, govt dictating what corporations will produce. The fascist symbol is represented by the leather strap (govt) wrapped around a bundle of sticks (corporations) with an axe (the military).



    Of course it is right wing, if you had a basic poli-sci course a person wouldn't need to ask such a question.
    You realize that this symbol goes all the way back to before the rise of the Roman Republic, right? I kind of doubt that the symbolism you describe here is wholly accurate.

    Fasces

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Personally, I really don't care if it's left wing or right wing as too many times in arguments such as these people try to pin on one side that they were the side that the Nazis identified with and imply that all of that side are Nazis and its complete BS.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You have gone from the general (which is what I was correcting) to specific leadership.
    But if the vast majority of specific leftist leaderships manifest extreme social conservatism - as was the case with the Communist regimes in the 20th century - doesn't it become a "general feature"?

    The very idea that we can neatly separate economic freedoms and social ones is silly: they are interdependent. Freedom of choice is freedom of choice. The real - "classical" - liberals ('libertarians' in modern American usage) are proponents of freedom of choice, and as such "right-wing", if we want to be logical and admit that Fascism, Nazism and Communism are varieties of the collectivist, statist ideology that belong on the Far Left, and nowhere else.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which largely don't exist, for good reason, in a pure form.

    But I voted neither. Let's not take a fascism's singularity and autonomy. It can be Bonn from both the left and the right, but eventually stands alone as its own system.
    That doesn't mean we shouldn't aim to make it as free as possible.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    By the way, the Fascist "corporatism" had nothing to do with capitalist corporations. The idea was that government, workers and entrepreneurs form some kind of equal-partnership fusion collectives. In reality, of course, it was a fig leaf for government domination on every level.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...42/corporatism
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