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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    fascism, socialism or communism.........is not limited government, what american government is supposed to be.

    does not matter if you want to call it left or right.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    fascism, socialism or communism.........is not limited government, what american government is supposed to be.

    does not matter if you want to call it left or right.
    That's partly my point.


    There are a lot of very valid comparisons of one sort of politics or another to Nazism, and to a lesser extent Fascism, but we have to keep clearly in mind that neither was an entirely political construct by our lights. Nazism in particular was more akin to modern Militant Islam. Islam is not only a political system, but also a legal system and a religion.

    Fascism on the other hand was very loosely defined, perhaps not in theory, but certainly in practice, and so people cans see the comparisons that their prejudices find most attractive with ease
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    That's partly my point.


    There are a lot of very valid comparisons of one sort of politics or another to Nazism, and to a lesser extent Fascism, but we have to keep clearly in mind that neither was an entirely political construct by our lights. Nazism in particular was more akin to modern Militant Islam. Islam is not only a political system, but also a legal system and a religion.

    Fascism on the other hand was very loosely defined, perhaps not in theory, but certainly in practice, and so people cans see the comparisons that their prejudices find most attractive with ease
    the point i am making is, that no matter which one of these you chose, it involves more government than the founding fathers intended.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Of course not...everything is leftwing except for America that existed from 1776 to 1801...at that point the Midnight Judges appointments and Louisiana Purchase started a long path of betraying the constitution and over intrusive government leftwing government.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    More bad faith on your part. Instead of dealing with the facts you want to demonize Goldberg, a Jew. How telling.

    So...your earlier criticism of Chomsky (in this thread), as well as your implied denunciation of the views of scholars like Hilberg....are "telling"?




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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    So...your earlier criticism of Chomsky (in this thread), as well as your implied denunciation of the views of scholars like Hilberg....are "telling"?
    I don't find my criticism of Chomsky in this thread. In general, my criticism of Chomsky is based on specific flaws in his historical narratives, especially his tendency to leave out half of the story. Such as the entirety of the Cold War, for example. What I never say is that we can safely discount what he writes because of his political identity.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I don't find my criticism of Chomsky in this thread. In general, my criticism of Chomsky is based on specific flaws in his historical narratives, especially his tendency to leave out half of the story. Such as the entirety of the Cold War, for example. What I never say is that we can safely discount what he writes because of his political identity.
    Where was it here said that we can discount Goldberg because of his political identity?

    Goldberg has been continuously discounted, including by scholars of fascism, because of what he's written about fascism.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Even the wiki is very convoluted on the subject, I don't think you can hold anyone accountable for not having this precisely right coming out of school.

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    Influenced by national syndicalism, the first fascist movements emerged in Italy around World War I, combining elements of left-wing politics with more typically right-wing positions, in opposition to communism, socialism, liberal democracy and, in some cases, traditional right-wing conservatism. Although fascism is usually placed on the far right on the traditional left-right spectrum, fascists themselves and some commentators have argued that the description is inadequate.[13][14] Following the Second World War, few parties openly describe themselves as fascist and the term is more usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The term neo-fascist or post-fascist is sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far right with ideological similarities to, or roots in, 20th century fascist movements respectively.
    To be fair liberals have the blight of socialism and communism to deal with, leaving facism to right-wingers (apparently not the conservative part!) may be appropriate

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I don't find my criticism of Chomsky in this thread. In general, my criticism of Chomsky is based on specific flaws in his historical narratives, especially his tendency to leave out half of the story. Such as the entirety of the Cold War, for example. What I never say is that we can safely discount what he writes because of his political identity.
    And I did show his and your multiple historical errors, regardless of the political views held by the author or the reader. The point was that the political ideology does influence the orientation of the author's work. No one is without bias, no one is free of it influencing their work.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    Where was it here said that we can discount Goldberg because of his political identity?
    Here's the key post:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1061835073

    An ad hominem based entirely on identity politics. All references to Goldberg in the thread go to that.

    The reviews linked therein are really awful. As far as I can tell they don't engage anything Goldberg wrote at all -- they appear to be allergic to his arguments. No need to spend any time refuting Goldberg's ideas said Prof. Griffin. And indeed he does not because identity politics.

    Identity politics is the essential ingredient.

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