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Thread: Is Fascism Right Wing?

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What would you say is the version of extreme right wing ideology?
    "Left" and "right" are misnomers. There is no such thing.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Fascism is socially right wing. It is total government control over social policies. Communism is total left wing economics where the economy is regulated by the government.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Everything you just mentioned are perfect reasons why we need to reduce the government's power.
    Or simply reduce the financial influence of the groups usurping the govt we have.

    The cleverest thing ever done is convincing us that the govt THEY select is our problem, NOT that they are selecting who we get to vote between.

    Money picks our candidates in the Wealth Primaries.

    So the very ones who complain the most are the ones who picked our politicians in the first place.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Or simply reduce the financial influence of the groups usurping the govt we have.
    And how do we go about doing that again?

    The cleverest thing ever done is convincing us that the govt THEY select is our problem, NOT that they are selecting who we get to vote between.

    Money picks our candidates in the Wealth Primaries.

    So the very ones who complain the most are the ones who picked our politicians in the first place.
    You had the option to vote for Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinic or Ralph Nader and you refused. No excuses.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Oh. It's neither really. It's what was called: The Third Way. (not the third reich).

    You had left wing style social control (oppression, govt run public entities like healthcare, water, sewage, etc) coupled with the existence of national market economy, which basically means, that companies, even foreign companies were allowed to exist as long as they hadn't had anti-national agendas, or even better, had pro-national agendas. that's why under fascism, the economy grows so fast because the state sponsors the private sector in order to promote national interest. It's like... ok, so you the state has 1 bil $, you make a company that deals in electronics, you make it work... and then you give it to a nationalist to further advance it. However, fascism is a meritocracy for the most part and the guy who would end up running the company would most likely be the most competent person.

    Fascism was big in Italy where Mussolini, who wasn't a fanatic, intended to promote Italian national spirit. Why? Italy has a long history of very city-state focused nations. People in Pisa call themselves Pisans first. people from Milano call themselves Milanians first, etc. We see it even in ancient times. The ROMAN empire, from ROME. People identified with ROME, the city.

    And fascism is a bundle of sticks for that same purpose. You have 1 stick (1 city) you can break it easily. You have 2 sticks (2 cities) you can break them easily. You have a bundle, it becomes hard to break. Mossolini wanted all people who lived in Italy to identify themselves as Italians first, as normal people do... I am an Italian from Pisa. I am an Italian from Milano. Not I am a Pisan. I am Napolitan. etc. That was the nationalist element.

    Fascism =/= national socialism (nazism) though they share a great deal of elements.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by beserkeleven View Post
    Fascism is socially right wing. It is total government control over social policies. .
    In this case, Communism is also right wing. Under Stalin or Mao, government had total control over social policies.


    Quote Originally Posted by beserkeleven View Post
    Communism is total left wing economics where the economy is regulated by the government.
    But if you pick a particular timeframe - for example, the New Economic Policy of Lenin, in the 1920s - you see overall government control with private enterprise allowed and to some degree encouraged, although always "kept on a short leash". Just like in the Nazi Germany or in the Mussolini's Italy.

    Differences are in emphasis and in the phase of development, not in the essence of ideologies.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Or simply reduce the financial influence of the groups usurping the govt we have.

    The cleverest thing ever done is convincing us that the govt THEY select is our problem, NOT that they are selecting who we get to vote between.

    Money picks our candidates in the Wealth Primaries.

    So the very ones who complain the most are the ones who picked our politicians in the first place.
    OR we can reduce the size and influence of the government. The problem isn't who is buying the government, its that the government has that much power in the first place.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Corporatism is fascism and the anti-thesis of free markets.
    Which largely don't exist, for good reason, in a pure form.

    But I voted neither. Let's not take a fascism's singularity and autonomy. It can be Bonn from both the left and the right, but eventually stands alone as its own system.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Definitions vary.
    In my book, "the Left" means "proponents of government control over economic activities and society at large".
    Half correct, liberal/left has generally wanted more control of economics, but on the social scale want more individual freedoms. Right/conservatives on social issues have trended toward less individual freedom, more towards authoritarianism.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Fascism is the Right wing orgasm of Corporations running the gov't and is pretty much what we have in the USA right now. Big Energy, Banking, Big Pharma and Chemical corporations rule the roost. US Gov't trying to promote GMO seeds for Monsanto. "Too big to fail" bailouts for banksters. Wars to get control of Energy resources. Healthcare bills passed to take care of Big Pharma. We need to discuss starting wars for good business profits.
    Not exactly. It could more accurately be described as being the other way around. Rather than destroying the upper classes and seizing their wealth, as Communism does, Fascism instead co-opts big business into the machinery of the state through the influence of the ruling party.

    A contemporary example of this phenomena is the, "Communist in name only," government of modern China. Private property and entrepenuership are technically allowed, but they are all subject to strict government oversight, and membership in the ruling party is basically required to have any chance of breaking into the market whatsoever.

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