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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It's not even that. Many people cannot even be bothered to go to the source and find out what it actually is about.
    Why do that when they can get some nutjob's version right off of YouTube.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    Why do that when they can get some nutjob's version right off of YouTube.
    Dude, you're quoting a self proclaimed 19 year old who is telling someone who has lived in several cultures and political systems over the course of the past couple of decades to "go to the source". News flash: I'm at the source, and I'm not a commie anymore. You should try following your own advice.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    Why do that when they can get some nutjob's version right off of YouTube.
    To be fair, this goes both ways.

    Partisans from both sides approach things from a "How can I ding the other side" rather than "what can be learned here, and what is the closest we can get to the truth?"

    The IRS non-scandal is a perfect example of this.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    To be fair, this goes both ways.

    Partisans from both sides approach things from a "How can I ding the other side" rather than "what can be learned here, and what is the closest we can get to the truth?"

    The IRS non-scandal is a perfect example of this.
    Relevant to the OP, I think most people think fascism is an ugly thing, but having lived in Italy for the last 13 years, and talking to many intelligent Italians, they have often said that fascism was a brutal system here, but it did actually provide a period of impressive economic growth relative to other parts of Europe. Many are calling for a dictator who will deliver economic growth to a country that has been stagnant, even declining, for a very long time. Go figure.

    Anyway, there is going to the source, and then there is looking for real world examples of the political theories. So, communism is an interesting theory and a lot of people chose to get behind it, but in reality the end game of communism is out of reach because the middle game is not practical and tolerated by the people. In fact, the first few opening moves were pretty devastating as well. Fascism is pretty ugly in theory but can work in certain circumstances.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    In school, I was taught that fascism was not in fact right wing, but compared to American Government, it was very much left wing. Our history class taught that the Nazi party of Germany had a meeting with the Communist Party of Germany to discuss a number of things starting on what slogans would be and what category they would say they were. Fascists were very much left wing, but they looked like right wing extremists compared to the communists, so they decided to call the communists left wing and call the fascists right wing to avoid confusion.
    Fascism is left wing because you cannot own a business or large home if you don't toe the line that the ruling party draws.. If you don't toe the line, they take your business and give it to someone who will. It is far right of either communism or socialism in that it allows private property at all. In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.
    So fascism is far right of communism but still pretty far left of American conservatism. It's somewhere in the middle.
    First of all, whoever taught a class of students that BS should be fired.

    Second of all, not really.

    Fascism has some things in common with certain types of "right wing" (and there are many). But it also has some things with common with certain kinds of "left wing" (again, there are many).

    And finally, when you get to a certain level of extremism, they're all pretty much the same thing. They may differ in their theoretical doctrine, but not as much as they would pretend, and the real-world results are usually pretty much the same.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    is that your way of saying that you have no actual method of response?

    I realize it's popular to identify Fascism as right wing. After all, there wasn't really a conservative movement in America in the end of the 40's, so it was safe to associate them with it. Just like no one had ever been a eugenicist after 1944, suddenly no one had ever admired fascism, either.

    Unfortunately, all those records are still around. Progressives in this country were very much on the same ideological wavelength as the fascists in Europe. It was and remains a left-wing ideology. The one poster on these forums honest enough to identify himself as a fascist is pretty much clear on this point - which is why his actual identifier reads "progressive".
    Which only makes him as deluded as yourself. Note I don't say 'dishonest', as I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

    To suggest that Hitler was a champion of Socialism is, at best, laughable. So much so, that I would dearly love to be present at some highly publicised political event, where you make such a claim. The ensuing headlines might be even more amusing than the initial outrage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Sure, but who started "the whole revisionism thing", and when?

    Why, indeed, the socially conservative, totalitarian, anti-capitalist, nationalist, militarist police state of the Fascist Italy is "right wing", and the EVEN MORE socially conservative, totalitarian, anti-capitalist, nationalist, militarist police state of the Soviet Russia is "left wing"?
    Italy is anti-Capitalist and Totalitarian? Odd then that it should exist as a Capitalist nation, existing within a larger Capitalist trading bloc, operating with a Liberal-Democratic constitution and political infrastructure. Nationalist and militarised? Too ambiguous to be definitive; certainly not conspicuously so. This sounds remarkably similar to claims among some Americans, of Europe as a Socialist entity. Both Italy and Russia are Republics.

    As for the advent of Revisionism, I would submit that it existed in one form or another since the earliest origins of political debate. A complementary feature of ongoing discourse, as with historical dialogue itself.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Hey, maybe if we be good, brush our teeth, eat all our vegetables and pray real hard, the powers that be will demand that henceforth, the very foundations of political terminology shall be radically redefined, for the sake of fringe agenda.

    Hell, why define America as a 'federal, presidential, constitutional republic' (Wiki). Why not call it a Monarchy?

    While I'm at it, I now declare that America's economy is characterised by Feudalism.

    Ya know, because I say so, and the accepted definitions don't apply all of a sudden.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Italy is anti-Capitalist and Totalitarian? Odd then that it should exist as a Capitalist nation, existing within a larger Capitalist trading bloc, operating with a Liberal-Democratic constitution and political infrastructure.
    Psst! Nothing escapes your incisive intellect, so I am forced to share a well-kept secret: the Fascist regime in Italy had ended - by any measure or definition - on April 28, 1945, when Benito Mussolini was executed.

    I have no special illusions about the clowns who "do politics" in Italy these days - whether "right", "left", or the nauseating Beppe Grillo's "just plain nuts" - but Fascist they are not. None of them. Not even Alessandra Mussolini. The 20th century is over. Thank goodness for that.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Psst! Nothing escapes your incisive intellect, so I am forced to share a well-kept secret: the Fascist regime in Italy had ended - by any measure or definition - on April 28, 1945, when Benito Mussolini was executed.

    I have no special illusions about the clowns who "do politics" in Italy these days - whether "right", "left", or the nauseating Beppe Grillo's "just plain nuts" - but Fascist they are not. None of them. Not even Alessandra Mussolini. The 20th century is over. Thank goodness for that.
    You'll forgive my sarcasm, Cyrylek. I indulge it in good faith.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    In terms of the British Freemasonry I would say neither in terms of Fascism's classic sense. Although it does have old colonial instincts and is most certainly bigoted particularly towards the Irish. It Sees itself as upper class, privileged, and royalist as opposed to belonging to any particular group. ie -Communist or -Nazi Certainly Right Wing though

    I think Fascism is different in every country

    I see Fascism as control and hatred with an indifference towards average people. You do not need a 'wing' per se for this politick

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