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Thread: Is Fascism Right Wing?

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Fixed your statement for you
    Go learn what Communism is.

    There is no state in Communism. Which tells you just how much the USSR failed in attempting to get to Communism. Class structured society where power is vested in the few is not a Communism society.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Lenin and Mao - creators of the two most massively powerful totalitarian states in history are laughing and clinking glasses of - whatever they use in lieu of champagne in Hell: You can do whatever you want to these people - and they still will believe in your cheapest propaganda shots - the more illogical, the better.
    Really? You think they'd be laughing at what their states have become? What Mao and Lenin may have believed has not become their countries. Merely because I understand Communism (unlike 90% of this board) does not mean I support it. Intelligence is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it. Unfortunately, a great many people here would not qualify as intelligent under that definition.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Go learn what Communism is.

    There is no state in Communism.
    I've spent the past ten years living in Cambodia, helping survivors of communism move on with their lives. Communism is pure statism. There is nothing in a communist society other than the state and the people who serve it. The results are horrific.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    I've spent the past ten years living in Cambodia, helping survivors of communism move on with their lives. Communism is pure statism. There is nothing in a communist society other than the state and the people who serve it. The results are horrific.
    Merely because a state calls itself Communist does not make it so. I can call myself a Panda. Does that make me a panda? North Korea calls itself a Democracy. Do you believe that?

    I'm not arguing that countries that call themselves Communist have lead to bad outcomes. But when we start defining Communism as anything a self proclaimed Communist nation has done, that results in very, very, very few countries, if any, not being Communist.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Merely because a state calls itself Communist does not make it so. I can call myself a Panda. Does that make me a panda? North Korea calls itself a Democracy. Do you believe that?

    I'm not arguing that countries that call themselves Communist have lead to bad outcomes. But when we start defining Communism as anything a self proclaimed Communist nation has done, that results in very, very, very few countries, if any, not being Communist.
    Even in theory, it is still pure statism. There is no financial freedom or individual freedom of choice, everyone is part of the same integrated mechanism. It's the very definition totalitarian statism.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Even in theory, it is still pure statism. There is no financial freedom or individual freedom of choice, everyone is part of the same integrated mechanism. It's the very definition totalitarian statism.
    First, there isn't an actual government in Communism. It's a loose democracy of the worker. Except that everyone votes the same way. It's completely idealistic and will never actually happen. Technically there is freedom of choice, but that everyone due to the transitions from Capitalism to Communism now makes the same choices.

    I highly disagree with the whole define Communism by anything a self proclaimed Communist nation has done because it can make Switzerland Communist by definition. Which is insane.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It's a loose democracy of the worker. Except that everyone votes the same way.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumanBeing View Post
    Hey, I did say it was idealistic and would never happen.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Intelligence is the ability to entertain an idea without accepting it. Unfortunately, a great many people here would not qualify as intelligent under that definition.
    QFT. Unfortunately open minds with the ability to think critically and see and analyze both sides of an argument are few and far between. For the rest, there's a special Kool-Aid.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    QFT. Unfortunately open minds with the ability to think critically and see and analyze both sides of an argument are few and far between. For the rest, there's a special Kool-Aid.
    It's not even that. Many people cannot even be bothered to go to the source and find out what it actually is about. I'm not asking for people to be able to fully see both sides, but at least don't start off with an overarching out of control bias.

    People define Communism as a stratified class society where power is vested in the few, trades with the West, has private property laws and practices capitalism. That makes the USA Communist.

    And they don't even think about what they just argued.
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