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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes. Its a far right wing authoritarian political ideology. Its a far right wing on the economic scale, and is authoritarian on the vertical scale. So on the standard political spectrum its in the way upper right quadrant.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    Interesting response. I'm just really used to so many people screaming that fascism and conservatism are the same thing and then proceeding to equate me to Hitler, so a reasonable tempered response was almost unexpected. Good to be sure that there are more than six sane people on this planet. Most people on this site aren't so crude (except head of joaquin) but the demonstration of ignorance by locals in my town is a bit disheartening sometimes, which is why I made this thread. I wanted to see if everyone was so ignorant or if it's just my town.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Really depends on the fascist. Like, the Nazi's would be considered centrists by American standards, but they were right wing by German Standards. Fascism can be either right wing or left. Authoritarian all the way, however.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Definitions vary.
    In my book, "the Left" means "proponents of government control over economic activities and society at large". The Stalinists being the ultimate "far Left": using our weird contemporary language, "extremely liberal economically, extremely conservative socially". The Nazis were a bit milder on the economic side, and the Fascists substantially less aggressive on both counts, but all three ideologies sit squarely in the "advanced Left" corner.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes. Its a far right wing authoritarian political ideology. Its a far right wing on the economic scale, and is authoritarian on the vertical scale. So on the standard political spectrum its in the way upper right quadrant.
    To my mind Far Right economics indicates Neo-Liberalist economics. I'd Call Facist economics in the form of Nazism and Mussolini Corporatism as the government allowed their exsistance however interfered in their affairs, setting wages and dictating what actions were neccesary for a stronger state, Ever wonder why its National Socialism. Pinochet is the odd one out, combining big government with Neoliberalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-...tics#Economics
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Fascism is the Right wing orgasm of Corporations running the gov't and is pretty much what we have in the USA right now. Big Energy, Banking, Big Pharma and Chemical corporations rule the roost. US Gov't trying to promote GMO seeds for Monsanto. "Too big to fail" bailouts for banksters. Wars to get control of Energy resources. Healthcare bills passed to take care of Big Pharma. We need to discuss starting wars for good business profits.
    Corporatism is statism, not capitalism. Capitalism and corporatism are mutually exclusive ideas. The more of one you have, the less of the other. Capitalism simply describes freedom and free markets. ANY intervention by the state is by definition a distortion and not capitalism.

    Corporatism is entirely consistent with the ideology of statism. You agree that governments should have such power to sell in the first place, I do not.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    I don't really see fascism as being either, but it really depends on how you define the two axes (i.e. more right wing or more left wing in terms of what, exactly). Descriptions of political philosophy along a one dimensional continuum is only useful to a certain extent.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Definitions vary.
    In my book, "the Left" means "proponents of government control over economic activities and society at large". The Stalinists being the ultimate "far Left": using our weird contemporary language, "extremely liberal economically, extremely conservative socially". The Nazis were a bit milder on the economic side, and the Fascists substantially less aggressive on both counts, but all three ideologies sit squarely in the "advanced Left" corner.
    What would you say is the version of extreme right wing ideology?

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What would you say is the version of extreme right wing ideology?
    We libertarians. As far from Pol Pot and Co. in every sense, as possible. And nothing wrong with this 'extremism'

    ( I realize, of course, that this is not common word usage. The problem is, the common word usage makes no sense).

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Indeed View Post
    In school, I was taught that fascism was not in fact right wing, but compared to American Government, it was very much left wing. Our history class taught that the Nazi party of Germany had a meeting with the Communist Party of Germany to discuss a number of things starting on what slogans would be and what category they would say they were. Fascists were very much left wing, but they looked like right wing extremists compared to the communists, so they decided to call the communists left wing and call the fascists right wing to avoid confusion.
    Fascism is left wing because you cannot own a business or large home if you don't toe the line that the ruling party draws.. If you don't toe the line, they take your business and give it to someone who will. It is far right of either communism or socialism in that it allows private property at all. In socialism the government owns all the business and makes sure that everyone is paid equally, and in communism the gov't owns everything and makes sure that everyone has everything they need.
    So fascism is far right of communism but still pretty far left of American conservatism. It's somewhere in the middle.
    The left/right paradigm is woefully incomplete. On the Nolan chart, fascism is on the bottom of a diamond, because I entails both economic and social authoritarianism. It essentially combines the worst elements of the left and the right in the inverse of the way libertarianism combines the best of the left and right.

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