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Thread: Is Fascism Right Wing?

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Agreed, but what's the alternative?
    Common sense.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    Nice, so only the "top 3 parties" are allowed to have a voice. This is your solution to people picking our candidates for us? Having....people pick our candidates for us? Try again.



    That's false by definition because under a libertarian system the government wouldn't have favors to sell in the first place. It's your system, statism, that is to blame for the current corporate state.
    Make it 4 or 5, whatever.

    But the govts current owners will never allow the libertarian govt they have convinced you is ideal.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Common sense.

    I've seen too many people using different "versions" of common sense.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Not exactly. It is the upper class wealth seizing the gov't with bribes, collusion, mutual benefits and I identified those beneficiaries. It's the Republican wet dream.
    No, it's really not. Nazism and Italian Fascism were never movements driven by the "upperclass." To the contrary, they were both highly populist in nature, and actually made use of a great deal of the same "social justice" and "class warfare" rhetoric endemic to Communist movements and the modern political Left.

    More traditional elites usually tended to despise both groups as they posed a threat to the existing status quo.

    Rather than entice collusion, Fascists generally use the power of state bureaucracy to conquer the private sector and force it to do their bidding. If their approach to economic policy can be seen as being similar to any American political party, it would frankly be the DNC.

    As a matter of fact, in historical reality, FDR's economic and social directives were dangerously similar to European-style fascism. Many of the Roosevelt Administration's policies, like the New Deal, massive Keynesian spending, and the authoritarian tarifs, regulations, and state directives laid upon the private sector during WW2, would've been right at home in either Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy. The FBI under Hoover was also about half a step away from being a full-on Gestapo style secret police force.

    This honestly shouldn't be surprising, considering that FDR was a close personal friend of Mussolini, and often expressed great respect for his ideas and government before the war.
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Make it 4 or 5, whatever.

    But the govts current owners will never allow the libertarian govt they have convinced you is ideal.
    That's ironic. If we had a libertarian "government" then there wouldn't be one to own, much less buy and sell.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Coke vs Pepsi. Both soda, and neither are anywhere near as good for you as natural orange juice. And that's the scam, as long as you think the whole world is Pepsi vs Coke, they don't care, as long as you don't seriously consider any alternatives.

    Left and right both seek to control the people with their own ideas and claim jurisdiction over people who don't vote for them. Fascism at its finest.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Is Fascism Right Wing?
    No, like communism it is an extreme leftist ideology.

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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Really depends on the fascist. Like, the Nazi's would be considered centrists by American standards, but they were right wing by German Standards. Fascism can be either right wing or left. Authoritarian all the way, however.
    I think that is key, authoritarianism. Do the oppressed who have their rights stripped and subjected to the whims of Jose in charge care whether they're being oppressed for party or profits? I don't think so.

    Authoritarians, whether leaders or followers, value order, obedience, and conformity over liberty or individual rights and people can, and do, vote to have societies of this nature. Communism is the authoritarian left and fascism is the authoritarian right. On the bottom of the spectrum are libertarian extremes such as anarchy on the left and anarcho-capitalism on the right. In these, the government doesn't oppress, but there is no government to prevent oppression, so basically oppression is just privatized.

    Somewhere in the middle is us, swinging left and right and more and less authoritarian, depending on the mood of the country and the effectiveness of various messengers. These days we fall in the center of the upper right quadrant, well to the right of the industrialized world and significantly more authoritarian as well.

    It's ironic that some call Obama a socialist or communist, considering he would likely be the far right candidate in most of the world and differs from his opposition here only marginally (but folks sure make a big deal of those small differences)
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    That's ironic. If we had a libertarian "government" then there wouldn't be one to own, much less buy and sell.
    And how do you propose to get there from here?

    What path do you suggest?
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    Re: Is Fascism Right Wing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    To my mind Far Right economics indicates Neo-Liberalist economics. I'd Call Facist economics in the form of Nazism and Mussolini Corporatism as the government allowed their exsistance however interfered in their affairs, setting wages and dictating what actions were neccesary for a stronger state, Ever wonder why its National Socialism. Pinochet is the odd one out, combining big government with Neoliberalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-...tics#Economics
    Otherwise I agree.
    I would argue that "corporatism" is simply an output of far right economics. The accumulation of wealth and power into the hand of a minority is the logical outcome of Capitalism. It hasn't been messed around with all that much, the tenants are still the same: Profits, Markets, Private Ownership. I would argue that the corporatism is simply an output of this system that leads to this system.


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