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Thread: If Obama knew....

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Then why did they admit to wrongdoing?
    I suppose they thought the code was administered unfairly.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    1) Then why doesn't he take credit for it?
    2) aaaaaaaah ... I see ... you're trying to sell the notion that a 3 year delay in granting 501c4 status by asking ridiculously onerous questions is not really rejecting the request.
    501(c)(4) status is not granted... its presumed. You do not have to apply for it. You merely declare you are a 501(c)(4). Of course, the IRS can take that status away from you, but you own the status until that happens.

    The reason there was no foul, is that no one lost their status as a result of this. They "crime" was they were asked a lot of questions. The link below is the actual "declaration" form.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/Form14449.pdf

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I suppose they thought the code was administered unfairly.
    And do you suppose that govt putting pressure on some groups...and not others...is concerning?
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    501(c)(4) — Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees

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    Like moveon.org?
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    No because they were also going after liberal, and progressive groups alike. The conservative groups were not singled out.


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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    501(c)(4) status is not granted... its presumed. You do not have to apply for it. You merely declare you are a 501(c)(4). Of course, the IRS can take that status away from you, but you own the status until that happens.

    The reason there was no foul, is that no one lost their status as a result of this. They "crime" was they were asked a lot of questions. The link below is the actual "declaration" form.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/Form14449.pdf

    501(c) organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Why do people request it?
    Or to put it another way ... what do you think would happen to you if you declare you are, file your return that way, and then the IRS declares you're not?
    And, further, seeing what we've seen so far, what do you think would happen to tea party groups who declare unilaterally they have 501c4 status?

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No because they were also going after liberal, and progressive groups alike. The conservative groups were not singled out.
    A Mother Jones reader, I see.
    You're being silly.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    A Mother Jones reader, I see.
    You're being silly.
    Uhhh well they did investigate liberal organizations as well.. So yea... But you can keep on believing whatever you believe.


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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No because they were also going after liberal, and progressive groups alike. The conservative groups were not singled out.
    Really. Even though they specifically admitted "targeting" conservative groups. So, in essence, even in the face of an admission, people like you will still deny, deny, deny.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh well they did investigate liberal organizations as well.. So yea... But you can keep on believing whatever you believe.
    WASHINGTON -- In the 27 months that the Internal Revenue Service put a hold on all Tea Party applications for non-profit status, it approved applications from similar liberal groups, a USA TODAY review of IRS data shows.

    As applications from conservative groups sat in limbo, groups with obviously liberal names were approved in as little as nine months. With names including words like "Progress" or "Progressive," these groups applied for the same tax status and were engaged in the same kinds of activities as the conservative groups.

    The controversial, 3-year-old strategy to manage the increasing number of political groups seeking tax-exempt status came under fire Tuesday. The agency's own inspector general blamed IRS leadership for "ineffective management."

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