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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    If Obama knew what the IRS was doing to conservative groups and allowed it to occur, would you support going forward with impeachment?
    What, Obama knew the IRS was using intelligent discriminators to identify potential political groups applying for tax-exempt status under a category reserved for groups that were only secondarily political? Seems like intelligent use of time.

    I appreciate the fact that the Right Wing media is having a field day with this, but is doing so by spreading mis-information. They have you believe that people were targeted, harassed, audited or otherwise denied their rights. None of this happened. In fact, no taxpayers were harmed in the making of this "scandal" No one was denied the tax exempt status sought. The default position of a 501(c)(4) application is that you get the tax exempt status unless the IRS takes it away. In no case did the IRS deny this status.

    There is NO impeachable offense here. This is just wishful thinking on the part of those that did not vote for Obama. Why do Republicans feel that impeachment is a part of the election process? They have trivialized it to the point of making a mockery of our Constitution.

    Settle down and enjoy the ride. You get another shot in 2016.... or more likely 2020.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Yep, I am all for it. If Obama knew a government entity was harassing his political enemies and he allowed it, that is a clear abuse of power and I would support impeaching him. But how bout when it comes out there was no wrong doing in Benghazi will you also support impeaching all the republicans that went completely crazy over it with no evidence of wrong doing?
    There were no criminal actions in Benghazi and the follow up to it - and I don't think anyone is claiming there was - the IRS story is quite different.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    What, Obama knew the IRS was using intelligent discriminators to identify potential political groups applying for tax-exempt status under a category reserved for groups that were only secondarily political? Seems like intelligent use of time.

    There was no harm in any this. No one was denied the tax exempt status. The default position is that you get the tax exempt status unless the IRS takes it away. It did not.

    This is just wishful thinking on the part of those that did not vote for Obama. Settle down and enjoy the ride. You get another shot in 2016.... or more likely 2020.
    That's just embarrassing.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Irrelevant - don't be disingenuous - you know full well the issue is the unequal application of the law and the unequal intimidation that can be levied by such a powerful agency of government. If you don't know that, shame on you for not being diligent.

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    501(c)(4) Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees

    501(c) organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's just embarrassing.
    What is embarrassing is how many Americans feign outrage and have no idea what really happened.

    Why don't you try to explain what happened in your own words. My guess is that you cannot, like most people outraged by this.... Please explain how it fits the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors"

    ... then there are the Canadians, who feign outrage about the IRS and I can't for the life of me understand why they care.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations
    501(c)(4) — Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees

    501(c) organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    ....and, if you notice within that wikipedia cite, you don't even have to apply to be a 501(c)(4); its presumed.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations
    501(c)(4) — Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees

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    Still irrelevant.

    It's illegal to blow up a plane - why don't you encourage police and air security to profile arabs and muslims, to the exclusion of all others, who've been the bombers in virtually all cases. Same principle you're supporting at the IRS.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations
    501(c)(4) — Civic Leagues, Social Welfare Organizations, and Local Associations of Employees

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    Strassel: The IRS Scandal Started at the Top
    The bureaucrats at the Internal Revenue Service did exactly what the president said was the right and honorable thing to do.

    President Obama and Co. are in full deniability mode, noting that the IRS is an "independent" agency and that they knew nothing about its abuse. The media and Congress are sleuthing for some hint that Mr. Obama picked up the phone and sicced the tax dogs on his enemies.

    But that's not how things work in post-Watergate Washington. Mr. Obama didn't need to pick up the phone. All he needed to do was exactly what he did do, in full view, for three years: Publicly suggest that conservative political groups were engaged in nefarious deeds; publicly call out by name political opponents whom he'd like to see harassed; and publicly have his party pressure the IRS to take action.



    Mr. VanderSloot is the Obama target who in 2011 made a sizable donation to a group supporting Mitt Romney. In April 2012, an Obama campaign website named and slurred eight Romney donors. It tarred Mr. VanderSloot as a "wealthy individual" with a "less-than-reputable record." Other donors were described as having been "on the wrong side of the law."

    This was the Obama version of the phone call—put out to every government investigator (and liberal activist) in the land.

    Twelve days later, a man working for a political opposition-research firm called an Idaho courthouse for Mr. VanderSloot's divorce records. In June, the IRS informed Mr. VanderSloot and his wife of an audit of two years of their taxes. In July, the Department of Labor informed him of an audit of the guest workers on his Idaho cattle ranch. In September, the IRS informed him of a second audit, of one of his businesses. Mr. VanderSloot, who had never been audited before, was subject to three in the four months after Mr. Obama teed him up for such scrutiny.

    The Obama call for scrutiny wasn't a mistake; it was the president's strategy—one pursued throughout 2012. The way to limit Romney money was to intimidate donors from giving. Donate, and the president would at best tie you to Big Oil or Wall Street, at worst put your name in bold, and flag you as "less than reputable" to everyone who worked for him: the IRS, the SEC, the Justice Department. The president didn't need a telephone; he had a megaphone.

    Short of directly asking federal agencies to investigate these groups, this is as close as it gets. Especially as top congressional Democrats were putting in their own versions of phone calls, sending letters to the IRS that accused it of having "failed to address" the "problem" of groups that were "improperly engaged" in campaigns. Because guess who controls that "independent" agency's budget?

    Preposterous because, according to Mr. Obama, he is "outraged" and "angry" that the IRS looked into the very groups and individuals that he spent years claiming were shady, undemocratic, even lawbreaking. After all, he expects the IRS to "operate with absolute integrity." Even when he does not.....snip~

    Strassel: The IRS Scandal Started at the Top - WSJ.com

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The IRS wasn't doing anything illegal, they were just enforcing the tax code.
    Then why did they admit to wrongdoing?
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    What, Obama knew the IRS was using intelligent discriminators to identify potential political groups applying for tax-exempt status under a category reserved for groups that were only secondarily political?
    Seems like intelligent use of time.
    I appreciate the fact that the Right Wing media is having a field day with this, but is doing so by spreading mis-information. They have you believe that people were targeted, harassed, audited or otherwise denied their rights. None of this happened. In fact, no taxpayers were harmed in the making of this "scandal"
    No one was denied the tax exempt status sought.
    The default position of a 501(c)(4) application is that you get the tax exempt status unless the IRS takes it away. In no case did the IRS deny this status.

    There is NO impeachable offense here. This is just wishful thinking on the part of those that did not vote for Obama. Why do Republicans feel that impeachment is a part of the election process? They have trivialized it to the point of making a mockery of our Constitution.

    Settle down and enjoy the ride. You get another shot in 2016.... or more likely 2020.
    1) Then why doesn't he take credit for it?
    2) aaaaaaaah ... I see ... you're trying to sell the notion that a 3 year delay in granting 501c4 status by asking ridiculously onerous questions is not really rejecting the request.

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