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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It takes 67 Aye votes to convict any president of impeachment. This means along with the 44 Republicans, it would have to garner 23 Democratic votes. There has to be a whole lot of there, there and as of now there isn't. I also think most Americans who are not die hard Republicans or Democrats will take a lot of convincing especially since the GOP made a mockery of the impeachment process during the Clinton administration.
    There are 47 Repubs Pero. Still hungover? And McCain will not vote against Obama if politico's story from today is true.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The IRS wasn't doing anything illegal, they were just enforcing the tax code.
    With that view of things, perhaps you can explain why liberals are so adamantly opposed to racial profiling in law enforcement or in national security - after all, the police are just investigating where most of the crime is committed.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    What if Obama learned about this at the same time as everyone else.
    Well, according to Carney Everybody knew but Obama. But As I said else where. I am willing to bet Jarrett, Plouffe, and Axelrod knew.

    Carney: Okay Fine, Senior Officials Knew the IRS Report was Coming, but Nobody Told Obama.....

    More information seeps out, and the "official" story changes again.

    Even MSNBC can't fully turn a blind eye to how things seem to keep "evolving" in the briefing room these days. So we're clear, Carney's new version of events is that top-level White House officials knew about the Inspector General's investigation into the IRS for some time, but chose not to inform the president about it. He claims that President Obama's chief of staff, top lawyer, and Treasury Secretary all knew this political megabomb was about to detonate, but decided their boss didn't need to know about it.

    Just to keep the "who knew what?" inquiries straight, there are two basic questions pertaining to White House knowledge of the IRS scandal that remain unresolved, both of which have inched closer to the president's door in recent days. The first involves when Team Obama -- within the administration or at the campaign -- first knew about the practice of IRS targeting. Carney and the president were both a bit cagey on this point last week, then numerous media outlets reported on Friday that high-ranking administration officials at Treasury found out about the targeting scheme in June of 2012. That would be roughly six months before the election, in case that wasn't clear. Did Treasury brass fail to impart that knowledge to anyone else? Really? The second question is when, specifically, the president himself knew about the Inspector General's report (and therefore, the scandal).....snip~

    Carney: Okay Fine, Senior Officials Knew the IRS Report was Coming, but Nobody Told Obama - Guy Benson

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya CJ .....I think looking into the Democrats may give some insight. Even Huff-Po knew.

    IRS Scandal Puts Dems Who Called For Investigation Of Conservative Group In A Bind

    During the fall months of 2010, congressional Democrats grew increasingly alarmed that conservative non-profit groups, backed by big-money donors, would tip the scales of the upcoming election.

    Many of the groups were filing for 501(c)(4) status, which allowed them to keep donors secret but forced them into policy advocacy -- not political campaigning -- as their primary activity. And Democrats, facing the prospect of tens of millions of dollars being spent against them, complained that these groups were hardly the "social welfare organizations" they claimed to be.

    On Sept. 29, 2010, Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) sounded the alarm. The chair of the influential Senate Finance Committee, which plays an important oversight role of the tax code, said he had "serious questions about whether such organizations are operating in compliance with the Internal Revenue Code."

    The IRS, it turns out, took those concerns seriously. But in the process of addressing them, the tax agency managed to make itself the scandal.

    When the truth was revealed this past week, the political world pounced. And among the first to express umbrage was Baucus.

    ďThese actions by the IRS are an outrageous abuse of power and a breach of the publicís trust," said the Montana Democrat. "Targeting groups based on their political views is not only inappropriate but it is intolerable."

    One and a half years after Baucus' letter, Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) sent one of his own to the IRS urging the agency to "investigate whether any groups qualifying as social welfare organizations under section 501(c)(4) of the federal tax code are improperly engaged in political campaign activity." In a press release announcing that letter, Welch specifically cited Crossroads GPS, "the Karl Rove-backed group" as a potential violator of the law.

    "This is a disaster for its reputation and it is no different than the Nixon use of the IRS to go after political enemies," he said. "You just can't do that. It sets them back, but it doesn't change their obligation to the American people to enforce the Internal Revenue Service code."

    Welch's 2012 letter was one of several that Democratic lawmakers sent to the IRS. Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Tom Udall (D-N.M.), Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) also asked the agency if it intended to investigate these "social welfare" organizations. In a floor speech in September 2012, Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) warned that there was insufficient regulation of these groups. His select investigative committee also announced earlier this year that it would look into why the IRS had failed to properly probe such 501(c)(4) groups. It's unclear if the investigation will now shape up.

    Those senators were cheered on by liberal-leaning outlets, which also urged the IRS to play an active role. A New York Times editorial on May 7, 2012 said, "taxpayers should be encouraged by complaints from Tea Party chapters" that they were being targeted by the IRS. The paper went on to say that the IRS should be applying more scrutiny, "across the board."

    About one year later, after the IRS had apologized for its filtering, the Times editorial page wrote that the IRS had been "absolutely correct to look into the abuse of the tax code." The mistake, it added, was applying the criteria it did.

    "Clearly Senate Democrats recognize their own political vulnerability on this story and they're working furiously to get ahead of it. But that doesn't change the fact that they publicly pressured the IRS to engage in the very tactics they're now condemning, and that's a contradiction that will haunt them politically in the weeks ahead," said Brian Walsh, a former top spokesman for the National Republican Senatorial Committee. "I'm not holding my breath but it would be an appropriate act of bravery and candor if the IRS asked Max Baucus why he's not sitting at the witness table next to them during these upcoming hearings.".....snip~

    IRS Scandal Puts Dems Who Called For Investigation Of Conservative Group In A Bind
    UPDATE: 8:35 p.m. -- Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee spokesman Justin Barasky emailed this statement.

    No rational human being including Mitch McConnell thinks that Karl Rove and the Koch brothers are operating social welfare organizations that deserve tax exempt status. However, Democratic senators have been outspoken in their condemnation of what took place at the IRS.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    With that view of things, perhaps you can explain why liberals are so adamantly opposed to racial profiling in law enforcement or in national security - after all, the police are just investigating where most of the crime is committed.
    Is the tax code 501 c(4) meant for major political donations?

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Yeah.

    But Given that the Obama administration is actually focusing on The IRS scandal to me indicates that they believe their hands are clean.
    Guess who else did the same exact thing when they had a little scandal.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    UPDATE: 8:35 p.m. -- Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee spokesman Justin Barasky emailed this statement.

    No rational human being including Mitch McConnell thinks that Karl Rove and the Koch brothers are operating social welfare organizations that deserve tax exempt status. However, Democratic senators have been outspoken in their condemnation of what took place at the IRS.
    These actions by the IRS are an outrageous abuse of power and a breach of the public’s trust," said the Montana Democrat. "Targeting groups based on their political views is not only inappropriate but it is intolerable."

    One and a half years after Baucus' letter, Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.) sent one of his own to the IRS urging the agency to "investigate whether any groups qualifying as social welfare organizations under section 501(c)(4) of the federal tax code are improperly engaged in political campaign activity." In a press release announcing that letter, Welch specifically cited Crossroads GPS, "the Karl Rove-backed group" as a potential violator of the law.

    "This is a disaster for its reputation and it is no different than the Nixon use of the IRS to go after political enemies," he said. "You just can't do that. It sets them back, but it doesn't change their obligation to the American people to enforce the Internal Revenue Service code."

    Welch's 2012 letter was one of several that Democratic lawmakers sent to the IRS. Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Tom Udall (D-N.M.), Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Al Franken (D-Minn.), and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) also asked the agency if it intended to investigate these "social welfare" organizations. In a floor speech in September 2012, Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) warned that there was insufficient regulation of these groups. His select investigative committee also announced earlier this year that it would look into why the IRS had failed to properly probe such 501(c)(4) groups. It's unclear if the investigation will now shape up.....snip~

    You should read the link Presented. Did you think Baucaus was speaking for his health? Do you think Justin can get past his Bosses remarks to the press?

    These actions by the IRS are an outrageous abuse of power and a breach of the public’s trust," said the Montana Democrat. "Targeting groups based on their political views is not only inappropriate but it is intolerable."

    Also you forget Post 23. That's 2010.....and way earlier insight.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Is the tax code 501 c(4) meant for major political donations?
    Irrelevant - don't be disingenuous - you know full well the issue is the unequal application of the law and the unequal intimidation that can be levied by such a powerful agency of government. If you don't know that, shame on you for not being diligent.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Guess who else told the people they were going after the truth?
    IDK my bff jill

    don't get me wrong, chances are there's going to be some 'huge, crippling' piece of evidence against Obama, that's going to be all the rage.....except there's one little bit of information, one critical bit, that cannot be proven. Obama would slip through and the right wing will bitch and moan about it for the next decade.

    Honesty, if he did wrong, impeach him. I'm not a fan of the man.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Yep, I am all for it. If Obama knew a government entity was harassing his political enemies and he allowed it, that is a clear abuse of power and I would support impeaching him. But how bout when it comes out there was no wrong doing in Benghazi will you also support impeaching all the republicans that went completely crazy over it with no evidence of wrong doing?
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