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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    where is the last phrase of the last sentence, how convenient of you to leave that out
    I gave you the pertinent info. Not my problem if you want to mischaracterize something else I said.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    It would be a pretty large abuse of power to use a tax collection agency to attack your enemies. But what do I know...I think funneling weapons to Iran should of been an impeachable offense as well.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Lemme just say that even if we were to begin the impeachment process, look at his senate. Not even worth the time fellas.
    I say let those Senators who wish to play a political angle answer to their constituents on these violations against freedom of political speech.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I gave you the pertinent info. Not my problem if you want to mischaracterize something else I said.
    This is exactly what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    It was wrong for anyone to put the terms "tea party" and such on a list for screening, they never should have done it, and who ever did it should be fired, but trying to link this to the whitehouse is another wild goose chase.
    How silly of me to reply to exactly what you stated

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Is the tax code 501 c(4) meant for major political donations?

    Were they giving donations? I understand that they were political advocacy and information groups and not PACs. That could be solved by simply inquiring whether or not donations were received by political candidates by these groups. The fact is that conservative groups were singled out and had their tax exempt approval unnecessarily delayed. This is a violation of freedom of assembly.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    This is exactly what you said:



    How silly of me to reply to exactly what you stated
    That does not show where I said that "CEOs, Presidents, Owners, should never be held accoutable for what they allow their subordinates to do."

    Again, I refer you to that whole reading thing we discussed earlier.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    No, I am not kidding you, IF it has been what is IT? Simple questions, no answers. You are in an outrage and dont even know why.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Are you ****ing kidding me? It has been in every newspaper and TV channel in the country.

    The IRS discriminated against one group of people, if it had be blacks instead of a political group, what would the fall out have been then?

    Obama and Clinton hung our people out to dry in Benghazi knowing an attack was coming.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Quik View Post
    No because that would send the message that this action was somehow worse than the atrocities and flagrant violations of civil liberties that he has already committed.

    Clinton should have been impeached for bombing Yugoslavia, but not for having sex with Lewinsky. Obama should be impeached for the Utah Data Facility but not for this.

    Clinton was impeached not for having sex with Lewinsky but for Perjury in his testimony in a civil suit that he sexually assaulted a a woman (Not Lewinsky). Perjury qualifies under the High Crimes and Misdemeanors clause for impeachment.

    The actions of the IRS is abuse of power and would also apply as an impeachable offense. The fact that Obama has engaged in worse acts does not diminish the actions thru the IRS but is further support for impeaching him.
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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Even if it's the case, this is an issue of an unequal enforcement of the law. It's funny that this standard is so often grasped on to in other debates, such as the gay marriage debate, but is ignored by you when convienent here. The Government discriminating on enforcement of the law based on political views is the issue, not whether or not the enforcement itself is right or not.
    Please check this thread.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1061844664


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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You are misunderstanding this so completely I hardly know where to begin. The IRS was singling out tea party groups applying for tax exempt status based on their names because a group called "tea party patriots" is less likely to qualify for tax exempt status than a group called "Methodist hospice" or something. It was to catch tax cheats. This so damned obvious to anybody not pushing a political agenda!
    You are the only one who is bringing out the tax cheat point. I have not heard this in the media reports that they are tax cheats in fact or implied.

    Why it would take years and three years in some cases for approval of tax exempt status in which it is generally self-declared and even for groups that do engage political advocacy only pay taxes on those expenses of political advocacy? The point of the thread is whether or not if Obama knew about this whether he should be impeached as is implied for abuse of power.

    Given that the tax cheat issue you brought up is a red herring and given the large amount of time of approval by the IRS and also the request of info that the IRS requested that was not material to the approval for the tax exempt org 501(c) 4 such as the donor list are kept secret does the hypothetical of Obama knowing what was going on with the IRS qualify as a High Crime and Misdemeanor and in that case would it be sufficient in a public support sense to impeach Obama ?
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