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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Yes, of course. But there's no evidence that he did, at this point.
    There never will be evidence. BHO is a ghost.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    If Obama knew what the IRS was doing to conservative groups and allowed it to occur, would you support going forward with impeachment?
    It's irrelevant whether he knew. The buck stops with him, he bears responsibility whether he knew or not.

    Thing is, what happened is a whole lot of nothing. The IRS decided to single out a group of likely tax cheats for extra scrutiny. The method they used was arguable unconstitutional. Hardly an impeachable offense, since it is not a crime. That is not even a scandal.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    If Obama knew what the IRS was doing to conservative groups and allowed it to occur, would you support going forward with impeachment?
    Before I could answer that I'd have to know what powers the Executive office has in deciding who the IRS investigates. (I honestly don't know).

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    If Obama knew what the IRS was doing to conservative groups and allowed it to occur, would you support going forward with impeachment?
    No because that would send the message that this action was somehow worse than the atrocities and flagrant violations of civil liberties that he has already committed.

    Clinton should have been impeached for bombing Yugoslavia, but not for having sex with Lewinsky. Obama should be impeached for the Utah Data Facility but not for this.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Before I could answer that I'd have to know what powers the Executive office has in deciding who the IRS investigates. (I honestly don't know).
    How is that relevant? It makes no difference whether he had full authority, no authority or something in between. There is nothing criminal going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    How is that relevant? It makes no difference either way.
    Oh, c'mon. If...if...the President has the power to tell the IRS "only investigate conservative groups," and if that's what happened here, then that's pretty messed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oh, c'mon. If...if...the President has the power to tell the IRS "only investigate conservative groups," and if that's what happened here, then that's pretty messed up.
    It depends on why. If... If... he did that, or whoever did that, it doesn't matter. They were profiling a certain kind of tax cheat. Maybe that is unconstitutional but it is hardly a scandal.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It depends on why. If... If... he did that, or whoever did that, it doesn't matter. They were profiling a certain kind of tax cheat. Maybe that is unconstitutional but it is hardly a scandal.
    Yes, it matters. Regardless of legality it represents an enormous misuse of authority for the president's own comfort and convenience. Whatever you may think of the tea party, sicking an organization like the IRS on it isn't the way to bring them down. Saying "it doesn't matter" doesn't make it so, and handwaving it as just "profiling a certain kind of tax cheat" doesn't make anyone forget that the president ordered the IRS to investigate groups opposed to his presidency (in this hypothetical scenario).

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes, it matters. Regardless of legality it represents an enormous misuse of authority for the president's own comfort and convenience. Whatever you may think of the tea party, sicking an organization like the IRS on it isn't the way to bring them down. Saying "it doesn't matter" doesn't make it so, and handwaving it as just "profiling a certain kind of tax cheat" doesn't make anyone forget that the president ordered the IRS to investigate groups opposed to his presidency (in this hypothetical scenario).
    You are imputing a motive without any evidence. The IRS was going after the tea party because of the high likelihood they were tax cheats. Yes, that is unconstitutional profiling most likely. But that is a far cry from "sickig the IRS onthem to bring them down.". It is simply sicking the IRS on them tools sure they paid their taxes! If they hadn't tried to apply for tax exemptions they didn't actually qualify for then they would have had no problem.

    I'm the first one to argue that the method the IRS used was unconstitutional but I would never dream of impugning their motives without hard evidence like you are doing.

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    Re: If Obama knew....

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Actually we are both wrong, 45 Republicans, 53 Democrats and 2 independents, Sanders and King. These later two should be counted as Democrats because they caucus and vote the Democratic line. Last year there were 47 Republicans.

    But never the less, I think it would take a whole bunch of there being there and I am not sure if it is just one scandal and the president even ordered it, that would be enough to impeach him. I think it would take a series of things, wrong doings along this scale.
    Heya Pero. Do you think Obama knowing he fired an IG in 2009 for going after a 501 3 C Liberal Education group. Which was then checked into by Congress over Obama releasing the IG and took until the end of 2009. Being in the News over the Involvement of Sacramento Mayor and friend of Obama Kevin Johnson. That he would know what was going on with the DOJ and the IRS from that time into 2010. Wherein the Issue with the Conservative group True the Vote began? That there was a change of direction so to speak?

    Some called it Walpin-Gate. Back then.....as Obama's only reason was he had lost confidence into Walpin. The NY Times would eventually cover it. Even tho they didn't want to in the beginning.

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