View Poll Results: Is the Libertarian Party a close relative of the GOP in ideology?

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  • I'm a Libertarian and the Libertarian Partyand like the GOP is part of conservatism.

    2 8.70%
  • I'm a Libertarian and there is no commonality between the Liberarian and Republican parties

    10 43.48%
  • I'm a Republican and see the Libertairan Party as somewhat similar to the GOP

    5 21.74%
  • I'm a Republican and the Liberarian Party and the GOP are like night and day

    2 8.70%
  • I'm a Democrat and see the Libertarian Party as somewhat similar to the GOP

    3 13.04%
  • I'm a Democrat and see the Libertarian Party as very different than the GOP

    1 4.35%
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    Question for Libertarians

    On a different thread someone suggested Libertarians should not be lumped together with conservatives. I agree Libertarians are not exactly Republicans but I do tend to think of Libertarians as the half-brothers of Republicans. Congressman Ron Paul and twice Presidential candidate is a Libertarian and according the Wikipedia is a "Lifetime Member" but joined "the next best thing" due to electability issues not being affiliated with a major party. The Libertarian candidate for POTUS, Congressman Bob Barr was a lifelong Republican but ran for President as a Libertarian I assume because they represented his conservative ideology even more than the GOP.

    Am I'm mistaken or is the Libertarian Party in the same conservative family as the Republican Party?

    Sorry for inadvertently omitting Independents from the poll.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    The Republican Party is slightly more libertarian than the Democratic Party, but neither one is nearly as libertarian as the Libertarian Party.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Certain parts of the republican party are quite libertarian.

    Republicans in western states like Montana are small government, and I expect, do not want the government to force socially conservative ideals on the general public. Other aspects maybe fiscally conservative but want the government to enforce socially conservative ideals.


    The democratic party can not match the Montana type libertarians of the Republican party
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Assume your poll has an "I am an independent who thinks Libertarians as a party are a bunch of southern Civil War buffs who don't want to be called racists, kooks, and young conservatives who do not want to have to pay back their student loans" and I checked that box.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Someone who is moderately libertarian can lean a little to the left or a little to the right, but someone who is very libertarian is very close to the middle of the left/right spectrum, and that's where the Libertarian Party is.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Assume your poll has an "I am an independent who thinks Libertarians as a party are a bunch of southern Civil War buffs who don't want to be called racists, kooks, and young conservatives who do not want to have to pay back their student loans" and I checked that box.
    Nah, I think most people who call themselves "Libertarian" seem to think it's just a cooler sounding synonym for "Republican."

    You can tell when they come out on social issues. Libertarians tend to be socially liberal.


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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    On a different thread someone suggested Libertarians should not be lumped together with conservatives. I agree Libertarians are not exactly Republicans but I do tend to think of Libertarians as the half-brothers of Republicans. Congressman Ron Paul and twice Presidential candidate is a Libertarian and according the Wikipedia is a "Lifetime Member" but joined "the next best thing" due to electability issues not being affiliated with a major party. The Libertarian candidate for POTUS, Congressman Bob Barr was a lifelong Republican but ran for President as a Libertarian I assume because they represented his conservative ideology even more than the GOP.

    Am I'm mistaken or is the Libertarian Party in the same conservative family as the Republican Party?

    Sorry for inadvertently omitting Independents from the poll.
    Officially libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Republicans are "fiscally conservative" (or claim to be), while remaining socially conservative as well. As long as they remain socially conservative they can never be similar to libertarians. That'd be like saying "Oh yeah, we totally see eye to eye, except for most of our beliefs."

    Not to mention the Republican party has become a big government, corporate handouts party. Top that off with their war-mongering, I don't see how anybody can even remotely compare republicans and libertarians.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Republicans Libertarians
    War Yes Please! Only for defense.
    SSM God hates fags All citizens are equal
    Drug war I like freedom as long as it aligns with my jesus values. It's not the government's place to control your body.
    Civil rights Can be revoked for safety Should never be revoked for any reason
    Foreign Policy America is superior and special. Do what we say or we attack. We should treat others as we wish to be treated.
    Immigration Close the borders. Freedom of movement is one of the most basic human rights.


    The list could go on for a while. These two parties are not even remotely similar. The issue has been that too many republicans disgusted with their party decide to change the political lean dropdown box to "libertarian", without changing their beliefs.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Am I'm mistaken or is the Libertarian Party in the same conservative family as the Republican Party?.
    Libertarian Party is on the radical fringe of the libertarian/classical liberal field. Their last nominee, Gary Johnson, was unusually pragmatic and unusually accomplished (popular governor of New Mexico with excellent record), and I had voted for him with pleasure. But the core of LP is still the disorderly crowd of Ayn Rand-quoting infantile daydreamers.

    When a libertarian decides to participate in practical politics (not a frequent event), his or her options are quite limited. Some Democrats are allies on "social issues", but otherwise the party is a very hostile place. Grover Cleveland and Al Smith would not touch the modern DP with a ten-foot pole, wearing hazmat suits.

    The GOP can be just as toxic, but it varies significantly, region by region - and in general it is much less homogeneous ideologically. Here you have the social conservatives, the libertarians, the pro-business pragmatists, and a whole bunch of single-issue characters (guns, immigration, whatever). Whenever libertarians had a chance to make difference, in the last 70 years or so, it happened within the Republican coalition.

    If we had a parliamentary system, libertarians would form their own party, and separate themselves clearly from conservatives and crony capitalists. Germany has the FDP, Poland - the Civic Platform and the Palikot's Movement, Denmark - the Venstre, etc. But in America, you have to join one or the other circus: the coalition-building happens before the elections, not after.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Officially libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
    Like most independents in America, if not most Americans. Which sounds schizophrenic, but that's because the proper label - "liberal" - was stolen from us by social democrats somewhere around the 1930s. In the continental Europe, "liberal" still means what it means logically: "free minds and free markets".

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