View Poll Results: Is the Libertarian Party a close relative of the GOP in ideology?

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  • I'm a Libertarian and the Libertarian Partyand like the GOP is part of conservatism.

    2 8.70%
  • I'm a Libertarian and there is no commonality between the Liberarian and Republican parties

    10 43.48%
  • I'm a Republican and see the Libertairan Party as somewhat similar to the GOP

    5 21.74%
  • I'm a Republican and the Liberarian Party and the GOP are like night and day

    2 8.70%
  • I'm a Democrat and see the Libertarian Party as somewhat similar to the GOP

    3 13.04%
  • I'm a Democrat and see the Libertarian Party as very different than the GOP

    1 4.35%
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm guessing they never think of the downside of shared property either.
    "Shared property" is beneficial to one of the two people involved in the marriage. You just have to make sure that the one to gain is the one better versed in manipulation.

    People generally don't do anything for the reason of "I have the right to do this". Why would it be different for marriage?
    Oh you haven't met me then. I often flex my right to be obnoxious. Today's society demands this, being what it's become today.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No, I don't view law enforcement as a reason for government. I think the basis of government is to promote general (and limited) welfare, defend the peace, and to uphold liberties.
    I didn't say law enforcement (i.e. policing), but to enforce the rule of law (without which you could simply pick and choose which laws you wished to follow). I see that as critical in both "promoting the general welfare," and in "upholding liberties."

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    I've never railed against fair trial. What I do not call a right, as opposed to a privilege, is any allotment of taxpayer funds.
    It seems to me that any trial is going to require an "allotment of taxpayer funds" and by necessity, will at the very least compel participation.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I didn't say law enforcement (i.e. policing), but to enforce the rule of law (without which you could simply pick and choose which laws you wished to follow). I see that as critical in both "promoting the general welfare," and in "upholding liberties."


    It seems to me that any trial is going to require an "allotment of taxpayer funds" and by necessity, will at the very least compel participation.
    I swear to God, this is turning into a "LIBERTARIANS ARE ANARCHISTS" rant yet again. I am beyond tired of this.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I swear to God, this is turning into a "LIBERTARIANS ARE ANARCHISTS" rant yet again. I am beyond tired of this.
    I don't see what this has to do with anarchy. Most libertarians recognize that you can't have government if you don't give up some liberty, and simply want to minimize that as much as possible (i.e. willingly trade some of their liberty in order to enjoy the benefits of government).

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't see what this has to do with anarchy. Most libertarians recognize that you can't have government if you don't give up some liberty, and simply want to minimize that as much as possible (i.e. willingly trade some of their liberty in order to enjoy the benefits of government).
    Why does one have to give up liberty? The laws we need are those who punish those infringing on other people's liberty.

    I saw something to the effect in these forums: "Your rights end where mine begin." Do you consider punishing people for taking away the liberties, property, etc. of another, a reduction of liberty?

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't see what this has to do with anarchy. Most libertarians recognize that you can't have government if you don't give up some liberty, and simply want to minimize that as much as possible (i.e. willingly trade some of their liberty in order to enjoy the benefits of government).
    It's the logical order of things when you start going into "libertarians don't want trial by jury because it may cost a few bucks". After that, it's bound for anarchy slippery-slope fallacies.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Why does one have to give up liberty? The laws we need are those who punish those infringing on other people's liberty.
    Someone invades my home and steals a loaf of bread. Am I free to punish him or otherwise seek redress on behalf of myself? If I consent to be governed under rule of law, I'm giving up my authority to determine this manner and instead defer to the judgment of another or perhaps a group of my peers. I am no longer at liberty to punish this individual as I see fit. In return, I am protected from undue or unfair punishment from others for perceived grievances.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    In theory the parties are quite different. In reality, many Republicans started calling themselves "libertarians" during the GWB years because they were embarrassed to identify themselves as Republicans. You can always spot the difference between a true Libertarian and a closeted Republican though.
    Last edited by disneydude; 05-20-13 at 05:57 PM.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Someone invades my home and steals a loaf of bread. Am I free to punish him or otherwise seek redress on behalf of myself? If I consent to be governed under rule of law, I'm giving up my authority to determine this manner and instead defer to the judgment of another or perhaps a group of my peers. I am no longer at liberty to punish this individual as I see fit. In return, I am protected from undue or unfair punishment from others for perceived grievances.
    Shoot them when they are in your house.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's actually about fifty-fifty. The republicans are like the libertarians on economic issues, the democrats are like libertarians on social issues, for the most part. There are anomalies, such as gun rights, which is technically a social issue. But generally the rule holds.
    Gun rights are the tie breaker.

    Edit: Lately, we've also seen liberals trying to ban large sugary drinks and stuff like that.
    Last edited by mpg; 05-20-13 at 08:06 PM.
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