View Poll Results: Is the Libertarian Party a close relative of the GOP in ideology?

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  • I'm a Libertarian and the Libertarian Partyand like the GOP is part of conservatism.

    2 8.70%
  • I'm a Libertarian and there is no commonality between the Liberarian and Republican parties

    10 43.48%
  • I'm a Republican and see the Libertairan Party as somewhat similar to the GOP

    5 21.74%
  • I'm a Republican and the Liberarian Party and the GOP are like night and day

    2 8.70%
  • I'm a Democrat and see the Libertarian Party as somewhat similar to the GOP

    3 13.04%
  • I'm a Democrat and see the Libertarian Party as very different than the GOP

    1 4.35%
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Thread: Question for Libertarians

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    This just doesn't make any sense, sorry. The primary role the government play in civil rights is to protect them. Of course, protection - like every other function of the government - costs money, so to follow your logic to its end, there really is no such thing as a social issue, they are all economic issues.
    The things you mentioned require the state giving out money, and they're NOT civil rights. Welfare is not a civil right, or even a human right for that matter. It's an extra goodie service. Libertarians are as socially open as they come, even more than democrats. Even democrats want to control what people put in their body.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    The modern GOP is nothing like the Libertarians, in fact, they're closer to the Democrats than anything else.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Government services are not a civil right. They must be paid for somehow, and the how must be discussed, therefore they are an economic issue.
    Either government services are a civil right, or there is no legitimate reason for government in the first place.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sure because someone who calls themselves a libertarian are as honest as a progressive who supports Obama
    Nothing of the sort. It's just to mark that your opinions as stated seem to have little to do with reality and more your perception of libertarianism is based more on hysteria and emotion than logical and sound argument.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Either government services are a civil right, or there is no legitimate reason for government in the first place.
    There is grey area between the two. They are by no means "rights", but they are privileges that can be entrusted to people through minimal taxation and charitable sources.

    Libertarianism doesn't try to do away with the free rider system. It just tries to keep it at minimal and acceptable levels.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Either government services are a civil right, or there is no legitimate reason for government in the first place.
    So you're trying to claim that ALL government services are a CIVIL RIGHT?

    So the dog-crap bags the city fills up at the park are a civil right? Seriously?

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The things you mentioned require the state giving out money, and they're NOT civil rights. Welfare is not a civil right, or even a human right for that matter. It's an extra goodie service. Libertarians are as socially open as they come, even more than democrats. Even democrats want to control what people put in their body.
    I fail to see why you want to recognize any sort of social issue whatsoever. Rights only become an "issue" when they're being impinged upon - any role Government plays is going to cost money and therefore is not a social issue but an economic issue in your eyes.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I fail to see why you want to recognize any sort of social issue whatsoever. Rights only become an "issue" when they're being impinged upon - any role Government plays is going to cost money and therefore is not a social issue but an economic issue in your eyes.
    And the problem is the same thing I've said for years - that the overwhelming majority of Americans have no idea what the differences are between "rights" and "privileges".

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I fail to see why you want to recognize any sort of social issue whatsoever. Rights only become an "issue" when they're being impinged upon - any role Government plays is going to cost money and therefore is not a social issue but an economic issue in your eyes.
    No, because in civil rights cases you are being defended from something, IE: someone is trying to lock you in their basement. Economics issues cover goodies that are handed to you by the government. It's completely different.

    Are you saying if the government were handing out gift baskets with IPads and beer inside it would be a civil rights issue and not an economics issue? You wouldn't think: "Man, our country is so well off we can afford extravagant gift-baskets?"

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    And the problem is the same thing I've said for years - that the overwhelming majority of Americans have no idea what the differences are between "rights" and "privileges".

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