View Poll Results: Is the Libertarian Party a close relative of the GOP in ideology?

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  • I'm a Libertarian and the Libertarian Partyand like the GOP is part of conservatism.

    2 8.70%
  • I'm a Libertarian and there is no commonality between the Liberarian and Republican parties

    10 43.48%
  • I'm a Republican and see the Libertairan Party as somewhat similar to the GOP

    5 21.74%
  • I'm a Republican and the Liberarian Party and the GOP are like night and day

    2 8.70%
  • I'm a Democrat and see the Libertarian Party as somewhat similar to the GOP

    3 13.04%
  • I'm a Democrat and see the Libertarian Party as very different than the GOP

    1 4.35%
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Thread: Question for Libertarians

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Republicans Libertarians
    War Yes Please! Only for defense.
    SSM God hates fags All citizens are equal
    Drug war I like freedom as long as it aligns with my jesus values. It's not the government's place to control your body.
    Civil rights Can be revoked for safety Should never be revoked for any reason
    Foreign Policy America is superior and special. Do what we say or we attack. We should treat others as we wish to be treated.
    Immigration Close the borders. Freedom of movement is one of the most basic human rights.


    The list could go on for a while. These two parties are not even remotely similar. The issue has been that too many republicans disgusted with their party decide to change the political lean dropdown box to "libertarian", without changing their beliefs.

    LOL.

    I am surprised by the libertarian position on immigration though. They think anybody who wants should be allowed to move to America with no regulation?

    Much of the confusion for me is seeing Libertarians vote for and run as Republicans and vice-versa be we hardly ever see such intra-party movement between Libertarians and Democrats.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Like most independents in America, if not most Americans. Which sounds schizophrenic, but that's because the proper label - "liberal" - was stolen from us by social democrats somewhere around the 1930s. In the continental Europe, "liberal" still means what it means logically: "free minds and free markets".
    This is very true. I live in Germany and when I talk politics with people I have to say "Ich bin liberal" (I'm liberal), which makes me cringe every single time. I wish there wasn't that link.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    LOL.

    I am surprised by the libertarian position on immigration though. They think anybody who wants should be allowed to move to America with no regulation?


    The Libertarian party's stance on immigration is essentially that our system needs to be revamped because it is far too difficult to legally immigrate. We have illegal immigration because we have a surplus of low end jobs that Americans do not want to fill (such as farming jobs), and there are people from other countries who wish to meet that demand.

    The welfare state is the only thing that makes immigration a negative thing. Why would anybody be upset about cheap labor for jobs that need to be done but can't get filled? There certainly should be oversight and regulation, but building a gigantic electro-fence with guards every 100 feet isn't the answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Much of the confusion for me is seeing Libertarians vote for and run as Republicans and vice-versa be we hardly ever see such intra-party movement between Libertarians and Democrats.
    Yes, that is positively a problem. You have people like Ron Paul who aren't even remotely Republican, but have to run as such because we have a two party system that refuses to even acknowledge other viewpoints.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    The Republican Party is slightly more libertarian than the Democratic Party, but neither one is nearly as libertarian as the Libertarian Party.
    It's actually about fifty-fifty. The republicans are like the libertarians on economic issues, the democrats are like libertarians on social issues, for the most part. There are anomalies, such as gun rights, which is technically a social issue. But generally the rule holds.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Nah, I think most people who call themselves "Libertarian" seem to think it's just a cooler sounding synonym for "Republican."

    You can tell when they come out on social issues. Libertarians tend to be socially liberal.
    Like I said, republicans who do not want to have to pay back their student loans either.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's actually about fifty-fifty. The republicans are like the libertarians on economic issues, the democrats are like libertarians on social issues, for the most part. There are anomalies, such as gun rights, which is technically a social issue. But generally the rule holds.
    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Officially libertarians are fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You can tell when they come out on social issues. Libertarians tend to be socially liberal.
    Libertarians are most certainly not "socially liberal" and share much in common with the Republican party on social issues. Libertarians may agree with Democrats on certain civil rights issues, but much of the Democrat social agenda is rooted in collectivism, which is flatly rejected by Libertarians and to a lesser extent, Republicans. On the most significant social issues - Education, Welfare/Social Insurance, Health Care - Libertarians have more in common with Republicans than they do with Democrats.
    Last edited by Taylor; 05-20-13 at 02:27 PM.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Libertarians are most certainly not "socially liberal" and share much in common with the Republican party on social issues. Libertarians may agree with Democrats on certain civil rights issues, but much of the Democrat social agenda is rooted in collectivism, which is flatly rejected by Libertarians and to a lesser extent, Republicans. On the most significant social issues - Education, Welfare/Social Insurance, Health Care - Libertarians have more in common with Republicans than they do with Democrats.
    Those are not social issue, they are economic issues. Think about it. All those things are funded by taxes, coerced by government. Essentially they are wealth redistribution, a form of economic coercion. Social liberty, where democrats and libertarians agree, involve no economic coercion.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Libertarians seem more in concert with Republicans than Democrats because more of them care about economic/fiscal issues than social issues.

    If you ask the average Republican and the average Libertarian about views on abortion, SSM/adoption, the drug war, etc. you can see why Libertarians would find the comparison insulting.

    One of the few things they actually do agree on is that Democrats couldn't manage money at gunpoint.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Assume your poll has an "I am an independent who thinks Libertarians as a party are a bunch of southern Civil War buffs who don't want to be called racists, kooks, and young conservatives who do not want to have to pay back their student loans" and I checked that box.
    Be sure to also check the "I form my opinions based on hyperbole, intellectually dishonest analogy, hysteria, and propaganda" box as well.
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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Republicans Libertarians
    War Yes Please! Only for defense.
    SSM God hates fags All citizens are equal
    Drug war I like freedom as long as it aligns with my jesus values. It's not the government's place to control your body.
    Civil rights Can be revoked for safety Should never be revoked for any reason
    Foreign Policy America is superior and special. Do what we say or we attack. We should treat others as we wish to be treated.
    Immigration Close the borders. Freedom of movement is one of the most basic human rights.


    The list could go on for a while. These two parties are not even remotely similar. The issue has been that too many republicans disgusted with their party decide to change the political lean dropdown box to "libertarian", without changing their beliefs.
    while i agree with you here on most, i disagree on one.

    that is why every libertarian, is not same......my issue is with the last one.
    Last edited by Master PO; 05-20-13 at 03:01 PM.

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    Re: Question for Libertarians

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Libertarians have more in common with Republicans than they do with Democrats.
    On a relative scale, maybe. On the absolute scale, we tend to have little in a real commonality with the Republocrats.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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