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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's already been determined in spades that this was a direct Washington initiative, which really flies into the face of the people who claim it's just a couple scrubs in Cincinatti trying to play the system in their party's favor.
    Oh for gods sake, no it hasn't.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The hell of it is they only thought to go after Capone on taxes when they couldn't get him any other way. How many large corporations are never looked at unless the gov wants to flaunt it's power?

    The IRS definitely uses a system to select who they'll target and in this case they need to show that their methods didn't favor anyone. Not an easy task, since someone will always appear to benefit more than another.
    No large corporation is never looked at, regardless if it's shady or follows every letter of the law to a fault.

    Taxes, both at the individual and corporate level, have "red flags" involved with certain claims, deductions, etc. If their radar blips enough, you're going to get a smarmy look from the Tax Man.

    Frankly, the only way we can prove beyond the scope of doubt that this was a targeted issues is to look into how many new organizations with a demonstrable Democratic lean were getting poked and prodded by the Tax Man.

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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    As opposed to some deep Freudian subconscious impulses making them to write official memos mandating scrutiny and delays in approval for conservative and libertarian non-profits, specifically?
    I didn't say there wasn't evidence of some malfeasance, I meant proven enough to cause punitive actions and seek further inquiry.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    No, it's not worse than Watergate because the president was not involved.

    I don't have any proof of this but I believe that some, if not all, of this happened because some people at the IRS were trying to score some brownie points.

    The IRS definitely has way too much power (Yes, I have gone a few rounds with the IRS). Something needs to be done about that.





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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Are you really going to claim that very few businesses or organizations don't have a decided political lean while legitimately qualifying for tax exempt status?
    I'm saying that political organizations, like the Tea Party organizations at the heart of this situation, should not be enjoying the tax exempt status reserved for non-political organizations. A lean is not the criteria. The main activities of the organization are. An organization that calls itself a political party and fields candidates for election is about as political a group as possible. And they are claiming to be singled out. Well, when investigating illegal activity, they go for the big fish first.

    It would absolutely be wrong for the IRS to be harassing and denying legal benefits to an organization that actually qualified for them. But the complaint here is that the process to deny these obviously political groups the tax exempt status reserved for non-political groups took longer than they like... it's an empty complaint. While the IRS may indeed have unclean hands in this situation, the organizations complaining have much much dirtier ones. I have no sympathy for them being given a hard time doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place.

    Putting one group of crooks at the top of the investigation is hardly scandalous. The real threat here is not from IRS not letting people illegally get out of paying their taxes. It's the loopholes that allow these groups the tax exempt status in the first place.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No large corporation is never looked at, regardless if it's shady or follows every letter of the law to a fault.

    Taxes, both at the individual and corporate level, have "red flags" involved with certain claims, deductions, etc. If their radar blips enough, you're going to get a smarmy look from the Tax Man.

    Frankly, the only way we can prove beyond the scope of doubt that this was a targeted issues is to look into how many new organizations with a demonstrable Democratic lean were getting poked and prodded by the Tax Man.
    I don't believe the IRS has a record of going after mega corps who even blip. They're too good at manipulating the tax code and hiding profits, probably legally. I imagine they have different "flags" for different levels of income.

    They'll have to prove with documents or testimony that there was a conspiracy to target particular groups, not just who got investigated for no particular reason.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Why the IRS scandal is worse than Watergate. Watergate was a political scandal in which the DNC offices in DC were broken into and President Nixon and his administration attempted to cover it up. The IRS scandal involves the government in the form of the IRS going after American Citizens including groups, organizations, and individual citizens based on their political or religious ideology. If a smoking gun is found that directly ties the president to this he must be impeached. If however he was kept in the dark those who kept it from the president must be fired. There is evidence that officials in the white house knew about this in June 2012, during the campaign. Those who were directly involved must go to prison. This is huge and every American regardless of their political persuasion should demand that heads roll. This scandal could be the catalyst that lights a fire under our politicians asses to rewrite the tax code and abolish the IRS. Just think what a flat tax or national sales tax would do for our economy. And another thing, most people are afraid to talk about the IRS because their worried that they too will be targeted. We should not have to be afraid of our government on the other hand the government should fear us. WE ARE THE PEOPLE!

    So this is a simple question. Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?
    It's fun to invent fictional either/or scenarios.

    Let me take a run at it...

    If the GOP witch hunts that regularly accuse the President of committing impeachable crimes are unable to produce evidence, they are either incompetent investigators and should be fired or they harming the nation with their purely political accusations and should be fired.

    See how that works.

    For this to be worse than Watergate, you would need evidence that the President committed a crime and right now, though it seems clear that the filtering process the IRS used was inappropriate, there is still no evidence that it was criminal.

    I think scandal mongering has become GOPorn, the fantasies of Republicans who can't seem to find any path to winning national elections in the foreseeable future unless they can find a way to destroy their potential adversaries.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's already been determined in spades that this was a direct Washington initiative, which really flies into the face of the people who claim it's just a couple scrubs in Cincinatti trying to play the system in their party's favor.



    If you can't post a link to a reliable source on this I will continue to believe that you made this up.

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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I see it as violating the civil rights of Americans by the IRS. and that sir is a crime.
    So is breaking and entering.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm saying that political organizations, like the Tea Party organizations at the heart of this situation, should not be enjoying the tax exempt status reserved for non-political organizations. A lean is not the criteria. The main activities of the organization are. An organization that calls itself a political party and fields candidates for election is about as political a group as possible. And they are claiming to be singled out. Well, when investigating illegal activity, they go for the big fish first.

    It would absolutely be wrong for the IRS to be harassing and denying legal benefits to an organization that actually qualified for them. But the complaint here is that the process to deny these obviously political groups the tax exempt status reserved for non-political groups took longer than they like... it's an empty complaint. While the IRS may indeed have unclean hands in this situation, the organizations complaining have much much dirtier ones. I have no sympathy for them being given a hard time doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place.

    Putting one group of crooks at the top of the investigation is hardly scandalous. The real threat here is not from IRS not letting people illegally get out of paying their taxes. It's the loopholes that allow these groups the tax exempt status in the first place.
    At no point in the reports or research I've seen does it say that they aren't actually NFP or qualify as tax-exempt for some other qualification(s). 501c3s, Form 990s, etc. are not considered to be public records. Therefore, there is no way to know.

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