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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Hardly. As of yet we've yet to establish a concrete connection between the White House and the actual activities that were taking place at the IRS, let alone the legal nature of the actions themselves.

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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If it can be shown or proven that the IRS policy was to purposely target political opponents of the administration ordered, coerced or collaborated with by WH personnel, then it's an illegal abuse of power. I doubt this will ever get that far or at least to the inner circle.
    I can agree with that. Of course, they can always act as if it falls under the guise of "due diligence". Remember - we're talking about claims of tax exemption.

    Tax evasion is the granddaddy of all crimes. Hell, look at all those old-time gangsters. Murder, extortion, racketeering - all over the place. Know what got many of them? Tax evasion. This is most prevalent with Capone.

    You don't screw with the Tax Man. That's why I said that the biggest crime here is the unchecked power of the IRS and the Treasury.

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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Of course. Making people fill out forms is vastly worse than robbery. Everyone knows that. It's much more important that political organizations be allowed to not pay taxes based on a law protecting non-political organizations than it is that competing political campaigns not directly sabotage each other.

    Seriously, this IRS thing is barely a scandal and it's little more than the pro Citizens United crowd reaping some of what they've sown. This kind of nonsense is what you get with all this anonymous money tossed around. The law states very clearly that political organizations are not entitled to this tax exempt status. These Tea Party groups tried to pass themselves off as non-political organizations. And they got caught. And now they're crying foul because they were examined more thoroughly than others. They wouldn't have been examined at all if they weren't trying to illegally get out of paying taxes.

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    Only if it can be proven they were consciously targeting one group unfairly. It might be concluded that during that time conservative groups cheated more on their taxes....lol
    The key word is "unfairly". It wasn't unfair. Holding people who are trying to tax dodge accountable is not unfair.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Only if it can be proven they were consciously targeting one group unfairly.
    As opposed to some deep Freudian subconscious impulses making them to write official memos mandating scrutiny and delays in approval for conservative and libertarian non-profits, specifically?

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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    If it was done with intent to intimidate political groups, definitely yes. If Obama was involved, then he should be impeached. Freedom and fairness in political activity is a primary quality of democracy that must be maintained. Of course, I realize that the vast majority of conservatives wouldn't be doing it to preserve the integrity of our democratic republic, so I am not sure if we really deserve self governance. However, in the hope that we one day will rise to the level of responsible citizens, we must maintain the trappings of a democratic system.

    That said, I seriously believe that this was rogue behavior on the part of IRS employees. If anything.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course. Making people fill out forms is vastly worse than robbery. Everyone knows that. It's much more important that political organizations be allowed to not pay taxes based on a law protecting non-political organizations than it is that competing political campaigns not directly sabotage each other.

    Seriously, this IRS thing is barely a scandal and it's little more than the pro Citizens United crowd reaping some of what they've sown. This kind of nonsense is what you get with all this anonymous money tossed around. The law states very clearly that political organizations are not entitled to this tax exempt status. These Tea Party groups tried to pass themselves off as non-political organizations. And they got caught. And now they're crying foul because they were examined more thoroughly than others. They wouldn't have been examined at all if they weren't trying to illegally get out of paying taxes.



    The key word is "unfairly". It wasn't unfair. Holding people who are trying to tax dodge accountable is not unfair.
    Are you really going to claim that very few businesses or organizations don't have a decided political lean while legitimately qualifying for tax exempt status?

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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Except that is a massive scandal and a gross injustice. Look at it this way: Imagine if the police only arrest blacks for activities committed by whites at the same rate. Here, too, you would have the "government doing its job unevenly." But no one would be running to its defense.
    They basically already do that.
    http://sentencingproject.org/doc/pub...Fact_sheet.pdf
    So let me ask you this, is it worse for the government to scrutinize your taxes more than someone else's, or fund someone breaking into your house and then cover it up?
    Also, there was a coverup of the Watergate incident by Nixon, and his administration.
    If the President did cover this one up, then maybe it will be on the same level as Watergate IMO.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I can agree with that. Of course, they can always act as if it falls under the guise of "due diligence". Remember - we're talking about claims of tax exemption.

    Tax evasion is the granddaddy of all crimes. Hell, look at all those old-time gangsters. Murder, extortion, racketeering - all over the place. Know what got many of them? Tax evasion. This is most prevalent with Capone.

    You don't screw with the Tax Man. That's why I said that the biggest crime here is the unchecked power of the IRS and the Treasury.

    The hell of it is they only thought to go after Capone on taxes when they couldn't get him any other way. How many large corporations are never looked at unless the gov wants to flaunt it's power?

    The IRS definitely uses a system to select who they'll target and in this case they need to show that their methods didn't favor anyone. Not an easy task, since someone will always appear to benefit more than another.
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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    If it was done with intent to intimidate political groups, definitely yes. If Obama was involved, then he should be impeached. Freedom and fairness in political activity is a primary quality of democracy that must be maintained. Of course, I realize that the vast majority of conservatives wouldn't be doing it to preserve the integrity of our democratic republic, so I am not sure if we really deserve self governance. However, in the hope that we one day will rise to the level of responsible citizens, we must maintain the trappings of a democratic system.

    That said, I seriously believe that this was rogue behavior on the part of IRS employees. If anything.
    It's already been determined in spades that this was a direct Washington initiative, which really flies into the face of the people who claim it's just a couple scrubs in Cincinatti trying to play the system in their party's favor.

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    Re: Is the IRS scandal worse than Watergate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course. Making people fill out forms is vastly worse than robbery. Everyone knows that. It's much more important that political organizations be allowed to not pay taxes based on a law protecting non-political organizations than it is that competing political campaigns not directly sabotage each other.

    Seriously, this IRS thing is barely a scandal and it's little more than the pro Citizens United crowd reaping some of what they've sown. This kind of nonsense is what you get with all this anonymous money tossed around. The law states very clearly that political organizations are not entitled to this tax exempt status. These Tea Party groups tried to pass themselves off as non-political organizations. And they got caught. And now they're crying foul because they were examined more thoroughly than others. They wouldn't have been examined at all if they weren't trying to illegally get out of paying taxes.



    The key word is "unfairly". It wasn't unfair. Holding people who are trying to tax dodge accountable is not unfair.
    Actually, from the perspective of harm to the political system, it is worse. Definitely.
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