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Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

Should miller retire with full benefits

  • yes retire with full benefits

    Votes: 5 50.0%

  • no, he should lose all retirement benefits

    Votes: 1 10.0%

  • Steve should do hard time in prison

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • Total voters
    10
sawyerloggingon

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Obama made a big deal out of asking for Steve Miller's resignation as head of the IRS and acted like heads had rolled, problem solved. The fact is Steve was going to retire soon anyway and he is now just retiring a few months early with full benefits. Wish somebody would "fire" me like that.:lol:


US House Rep Vern Buchanan: Were you terminated or fired? What happened there? Or are you getting ready to retire?
Steve Miller: I was asked to resign and I will retire.
US House Rep Vern Buchanan: Okay.
Steve Miller: Under the civil service rules.

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US House Rep Tom Reed: As you sit here today, you were not fired from your job. And I can tell you, in my private experience, you would have been fired on the spot. And all you were allowed to do is resign and retire? And now you come here and try to say I did the honorable thing by falling on my sword' when nothing bad is going to happen to you. You're going to get your full benefits. You're going to get everything that's associated with your retirement as an IRS employee.
Steve Miller: [Laughing] Nohting bad is happening to me, Congressman?
US House Rep Tom Reed: Financially. You're allowed to retire. That's the level of accountability in Washington, DC now. You're still acting [Commissioner]. You came here on the taxpayer dollar today. You're getting a paycheck for being here today. Correct? Correct?
Steve Miller: [Pause] Correct.

Ruth's Report: Ed O'Keefe makes a mistake, Steve Miller has not been fired
 
He fulfilled the requirements and is entitled to his retirement package.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
He fulfilled the requirements? So I guess you are admitting obama asked him to target right leaning groups huh. SHEESH!
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Where did I say that? Why are you lying about my statement? That is really dishonest and has no place here.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
He fulfilled the requirements? So I guess you are admitting obama asked him to target right leaning groups huh. SHEESH!
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Sure he did. He showed up for work every day he was required to. Did he do anything? Probably not. Does he know anything? Definitely not. Apparently that is all that is required to run the IRS. Besides, Pelosi has already established that his benefits and pension will help stimulate the economy. It's definitely not "trickle down" economics, because we all now know that doesn't work. We like to call it "oozing out" economics. So, even in a cushy retirement, Miller is busy helping us all, and the next IRS head will absolutely address those horrendous customer service problems, too.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
He fulfilled the requirements? So I guess you are admitting obama asked him to target right leaning groups huh. SHEESH!
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This is anti-IRS whine is much ado about nothing....anyone who thinks those 501 (c) 4 groups didn't deserve special IRS consideration due to their obvious effort to approach the line between an outright political action committee and an organization specifically aimed at social welfare either does not understand the issue or is a partisan hack.

BTW: how come none of those in the "gubbermint are tyrrants" crowd gave a damn when GWB's administration targeted peace activists for special FBI scrutiny, sending undercover agents to investigate vegetarian pot-lucks?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Obama made a big deal out of asking for Steve Miller's resignation as head of the IRS and acted like heads had rolled, problem solved. The fact is Steve was going to retire soon anyway and he is now just retiring a few months early with full benefits. Wish somebody would "fire" me like that.:lol:


US House Rep Vern Buchanan: Were you terminated or fired? What happened there? Or are you getting ready to retire?
Steve Miller: I was asked to resign and I will retire.
US House Rep Vern Buchanan: Okay.
Steve Miller: Under the civil service rules.

[. . .]
US House Rep Tom Reed: As you sit here today, you were not fired from your job. And I can tell you, in my private experience, you would have been fired on the spot. And all you were allowed to do is resign and retire? And now you come here and try to say I did the honorable thing by falling on my sword' when nothing bad is going to happen to you. You're going to get your full benefits. You're going to get everything that's associated with your retirement as an IRS employee.
Steve Miller: [Laughing] Nohting bad is happening to me, Congressman?
US House Rep Tom Reed: Financially. You're allowed to retire. That's the level of accountability in Washington, DC now. You're still acting [Commissioner]. You came here on the taxpayer dollar today. You're getting a paycheck for being here today. Correct? Correct?
Steve Miller: [Pause] Correct.

Ruth's Report: Ed O'Keefe makes a mistake, Steve Miller has not been fired
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We can't just decide someone doesn't deserve his retirement benefits. There is some precedence for losing one's pension benefits, however. If a LEO, as an example, uses his position as a LEO to commit a felony, is tried and convicted, he will lose his pension benefits.

That makes perfect sense to me. I think all public employees should be held to the same standard. But read: charged, tried and convicted. Steve Miller doesn't meet that standard.
 
It is pretty easy for a cop to lose their retirement benefits - it doesn't take a felony conviction it can be used in some states under plea barganing. You mkae good point the point I want to make is why is it easy for a cop to lose thier pension and hard for a civil servant that oversaw people violating others. I might have empathy for this man if he caught it, brought it to light, and fixed it before even bringing it out. What I can tell is he knew this before the election and swept it down so his buddy bama could do another term on the back nine. SCREW that - that should be a felony and he should lose his pension and freedom for such an act.


MaggieD said:
We can't just decide someone doesn't deserve his retirement benefits. There is some precedence for losing one's pension benefits, however. If a LEO, as an example, uses his position as a LEO to commit a felony, is tried and convicted, he will lose his pension benefits.

That makes perfect sense to me. I think all public employees should be held to the same standard. But read: charged, tried and convicted. Steve Miller doesn't meet that standard.
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calamity said:
This is anti-IRS whine is much ado about nothing....anyone who thinks those 501 (c) 4 groups didn't deserve special IRS consideration due to their obvious effort to approach the line between an outright political action committee and an organization specifically aimed at social welfare either does not understand the issue or is a partisan hack.

BTW: how come none of those in the "gubbermint are tyrrants" crowd gave a damn when GWB's administration targeted peace activists for special FBI scrutiny, sending undercover agents to investigate vegetarian pot-lucks?
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Calamity.
 
MaggieD said:
We can't just decide someone doesn't deserve his retirement benefits. There is some precedence for losing one's pension benefits, however. If a LEO, as an example, uses his position as a LEO to commit a felony, is tried and convicted, he will lose his pension benefits.

That makes perfect sense to me. I think all public employees should be held to the same standard. But read: charged, tried and convicted. Steve Miller doesn't meet that standard.
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Obama implied he took care of the IRS problem by asking for Steven's resignation. That implies he did something wrong, something wrong enough to be fired. In private industry you don't even get unemployment benefits if you get fired much less your full benefit package. By your saying he should get his benefits you are saying he did nothing wrong so you should be against his being dismissed altogether, are you?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Obama implied he took care of the IRS problem by asking for Steven's resignation. That implies he did something wrong, something wrong enough to be fired. In private industry you don't even get unemployment benefits if you get fired much less your full benefit package. By your saying he should get his benefits you are saying he did nothing wrong so you should be against his being dismissed altogether, are you?
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In private industry, you do not lose your pension benefits because you're fired. ;)

I'm saying he's entitled to due process. If they charge him with something and convict him of something, whoosh!!
 
MaggieD said:
In private industry, you do not lose your pension benefits because you're fired. ;)

I'm saying he's entitled to due process. If they charge him with something and convict him of something, whoosh!!
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If you are fired for misconduct you lose all benefits unless maybe you are a union member. I worked for a company once where a guy got fired and went into the office and asked for his vacation pay. I got there just in time to see him walk out the door with blood gushing from his nose.:lol:
 
sawyerloggingon said:
If you are fired for misconduct you lose all benefits unless maybe you are a union member. I worked for a company once where a guy got fired and went into the office and asked for his vacation pay. I got there just in time to see him walk out the door with blood gushing from his nose.:lol:
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You are wrong. You do not lose pension benefits for misconduct. If that were the case, Sawyer, everybody would be "fired" the day before they retired. :rofl -- Benefits like vacation pay? I doubt one could lose those. 'Course an employer could decide to make you fight for that, I guess, if there was some precedent in place. I could see losing vacation pay and sick day pay. But never-ever pension.
 
MaggieD said:
You are wrong. You do not lose pension benefits for misconduct. If that were the case, Sawyer, everybody would be "fired" the day before they retired. :rofl -- Benefits like vacation pay? I doubt one could lose those. 'Course an employer could decide to make you fight for that, I guess, if there was some precedent in place. I could see losing vacation pay and sick day pay. But never-ever pension.
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I am never wrong.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
He targeted conservative groups and you say he fulfilled his requirements. Connect the dots.
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There are no dots on the same page of the same book.

If he fulfilled the requirements of a pension, then he is entitled to it pure and simple. If he did something wrong, there are avenues to pursue that.
 
haymarket said:
There are no dots on the same page of the same book.

If he fulfilled the requirements of a pension, then he is entitled to it pure and simple. If he did something wrong, there are avenues to pursue that.
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SUPPOSEDLY he was fired for doing something wrong, supposedly.
 
Mr Miller is an arrogant sob who feels he is above the law not unlike most in the Obama administration. He should go to prison.
 
haymarket said:
He fulfilled the requirements and is entitled to his retirement package.
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Like hell.

That'd be like a Marine for the last 19 years stick around after committing murder because he "fulfilled the requirements".
 
sawyerloggingon said:
He fulfilled the requirements? So I guess you are admitting obama asked him to target right leaning groups huh. SHEESH!
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sawyerloggingon said:
Steve is being rewarded for corruption in the IRS on his watch, end of story.
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You do realize, of course, that Miller was not in charge of the IRS when all of this occurred. The man in charge of the IRS at the time was Douglas Shulman, a Bush appointee, who served in the role from 3/24/08 to 11/9/12... but, of course, as a well-informed DP poster, posting only from his superior command of facts, you already knew that.

Commissioner of Internal Revenue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no reason Mr. Miller should not receive full benefits. His primary sin is being on watch when the prisoners were discovered to be missing.
 
upsideguy said:
You do realize, of course, that Miller was not in charge of the IRS when all of this occurred. The man in charge of the IRS at the time was Douglas Shulman, a Bush appointee, who served in the role from 3/24/08 to 11/9/12... but, of course, as a well-informed DP poster, posting only from his superior command of facts, you already knew that.

Commissioner of Internal Revenue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no reason Mr. Miller should not receive full benefits. His primary sin is being on watch when the prisoners were discovered to be missing.
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Then why did obama ask for his resignation?

EDIT: Actually the person in charge during the IRS scandal was a woman who got a 100k bonus and got promoted to running the IRS division on obamacare.


EDIT: WASHINGTON – The IRS official who led the tax-exempt organizations unit when Tea Party groups were targeted is now in charge of the IRS office responsible for ObamaCare, two Capitol Hill sources told Fox News.

The acknowledgement comes after the administration announced that the official’s successor Joseph Grant -- who had only been on the job a few days -- would be retiring. And it fueled criticism of the agency, as the outgoing IRS commissioner prepared to face lawmakers’ questions at a hearing Friday morning.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...o-leave-amid-tea-party-scandal/#ixzz2TkxnnHpu
 
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