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    Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Obama made a big deal out of asking for Steve Miller's resignation as head of the IRS and acted like heads had rolled, problem solved. The fact is Steve was going to retire soon anyway and he is now just retiring a few months early with full benefits. Wish somebody would "fire" me like that.


    US House Rep Vern Buchanan: Were you terminated or fired? What happened there? Or are you getting ready to retire?
    Steve Miller: I was asked to resign and I will retire.

    US House Rep Vern Buchanan: Okay.
    Steve Miller: Under the civil service rules.

    [. . .]
    US House Rep Tom Reed: As you sit here today, you were not fired from your job. And I can tell you, in my private experience, you would have been fired on the spot. And all you were allowed to do is resign and retire? And now you come here and try to say I did the honorable thing by falling on my sword' when nothing bad is going to happen to you. You're going to get your full benefits. You're going to get everything that's associated with your retirement as an IRS employee.
    Steve Miller: [Laughing] Nohting bad is happening to me, Congressman?
    US House Rep Tom Reed: Financially. You're allowed to retire. That's the level of accountability in Washington, DC now. You're still acting [Commissioner]. You came here on the taxpayer dollar today. You're getting a paycheck for being here today. Correct? Correct?
    Steve Miller: [Pause] Correct.

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    He fulfilled the requirements and is entitled to his retirement package.
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    He fulfilled the requirements and is entitled to his retirement package.
    He fulfilled the requirements? So I guess you are admitting obama asked him to target right leaning groups huh. SHEESH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    He fulfilled the requirements? So I guess you are admitting obama asked him to target right leaning groups huh. SHEESH!
    Where did I say that? Why are you lying about my statement? That is really dishonest and has no place here.
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    He fulfilled the requirements? So I guess you are admitting obama asked him to target right leaning groups huh. SHEESH!
    Sure he did. He showed up for work every day he was required to. Did he do anything? Probably not. Does he know anything? Definitely not. Apparently that is all that is required to run the IRS. Besides, Pelosi has already established that his benefits and pension will help stimulate the economy. It's definitely not "trickle down" economics, because we all now know that doesn't work. We like to call it "oozing out" economics. So, even in a cushy retirement, Miller is busy helping us all, and the next IRS head will absolutely address those horrendous customer service problems, too.

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    He fulfilled the requirements? So I guess you are admitting obama asked him to target right leaning groups huh. SHEESH!
    This is anti-IRS whine is much ado about nothing....anyone who thinks those 501 (c) 4 groups didn't deserve special IRS consideration due to their obvious effort to approach the line between an outright political action committee and an organization specifically aimed at social welfare either does not understand the issue or is a partisan hack.

    BTW: how come none of those in the "gubbermint are tyrrants" crowd gave a damn when GWB's administration targeted peace activists for special FBI scrutiny, sending undercover agents to investigate vegetarian pot-lucks?

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Obama made a big deal out of asking for Steve Miller's resignation as head of the IRS and acted like heads had rolled, problem solved. The fact is Steve was going to retire soon anyway and he is now just retiring a few months early with full benefits. Wish somebody would "fire" me like that.


    US House Rep Vern Buchanan: Were you terminated or fired? What happened there? Or are you getting ready to retire?
    Steve Miller: I was asked to resign and I will retire.

    US House Rep Vern Buchanan: Okay.
    Steve Miller: Under the civil service rules.

    [. . .]
    US House Rep Tom Reed: As you sit here today, you were not fired from your job. And I can tell you, in my private experience, you would have been fired on the spot. And all you were allowed to do is resign and retire? And now you come here and try to say I did the honorable thing by falling on my sword' when nothing bad is going to happen to you. You're going to get your full benefits. You're going to get everything that's associated with your retirement as an IRS employee.
    Steve Miller: [Laughing] Nohting bad is happening to me, Congressman?
    US House Rep Tom Reed: Financially. You're allowed to retire. That's the level of accountability in Washington, DC now. You're still acting [Commissioner]. You came here on the taxpayer dollar today. You're getting a paycheck for being here today. Correct? Correct?
    Steve Miller: [Pause] Correct.

    Ruth's Report: Ed O'Keefe makes a mistake, Steve Miller has not been fired
    We can't just decide someone doesn't deserve his retirement benefits. There is some precedence for losing one's pension benefits, however. If a LEO, as an example, uses his position as a LEO to commit a felony, is tried and convicted, he will lose his pension benefits.

    That makes perfect sense to me. I think all public employees should be held to the same standard. But read: charged, tried and convicted. Steve Miller doesn't meet that standard.
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    It is pretty easy for a cop to lose their retirement benefits - it doesn't take a felony conviction it can be used in some states under plea barganing. You mkae good point the point I want to make is why is it easy for a cop to lose thier pension and hard for a civil servant that oversaw people violating others. I might have empathy for this man if he caught it, brought it to light, and fixed it before even bringing it out. What I can tell is he knew this before the election and swept it down so his buddy bama could do another term on the back nine. SCREW that - that should be a felony and he should lose his pension and freedom for such an act.


    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We can't just decide someone doesn't deserve his retirement benefits. There is some precedence for losing one's pension benefits, however. If a LEO, as an example, uses his position as a LEO to commit a felony, is tried and convicted, he will lose his pension benefits.

    That makes perfect sense to me. I think all public employees should be held to the same standard. But read: charged, tried and convicted. Steve Miller doesn't meet that standard.

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    This is anti-IRS whine is much ado about nothing....anyone who thinks those 501 (c) 4 groups didn't deserve special IRS consideration due to their obvious effort to approach the line between an outright political action committee and an organization specifically aimed at social welfare either does not understand the issue or is a partisan hack.

    BTW: how come none of those in the "gubbermint are tyrrants" crowd gave a damn when GWB's administration targeted peace activists for special FBI scrutiny, sending undercover agents to investigate vegetarian pot-lucks?
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where did I say that? Why are you lying about my statement? That is really dishonest and has no place here.
    He targeted conservative groups and you say he fulfilled his requirements. Connect the dots.

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