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Thread: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We can't just decide someone doesn't deserve his retirement benefits. There is some precedence for losing one's pension benefits, however. If a LEO, as an example, uses his position as a LEO to commit a felony, is tried and convicted, he will lose his pension benefits.

    That makes perfect sense to me. I think all public employees should be held to the same standard. But read: charged, tried and convicted. Steve Miller doesn't meet that standard.
    Obama implied he took care of the IRS problem by asking for Steven's resignation. That implies he did something wrong, something wrong enough to be fired. In private industry you don't even get unemployment benefits if you get fired much less your full benefit package. By your saying he should get his benefits you are saying he did nothing wrong so you should be against his being dismissed altogether, are you?

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Obama implied he took care of the IRS problem by asking for Steven's resignation. That implies he did something wrong, something wrong enough to be fired. In private industry you don't even get unemployment benefits if you get fired much less your full benefit package. By your saying he should get his benefits you are saying he did nothing wrong so you should be against his being dismissed altogether, are you?
    In private industry, you do not lose your pension benefits because you're fired.

    I'm saying he's entitled to due process. If they charge him with something and convict him of something, whoosh!!
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    In private industry, you do not lose your pension benefits because you're fired.

    I'm saying he's entitled to due process. If they charge him with something and convict him of something, whoosh!!
    If you are fired for misconduct you lose all benefits unless maybe you are a union member. I worked for a company once where a guy got fired and went into the office and asked for his vacation pay. I got there just in time to see him walk out the door with blood gushing from his nose.

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If you are fired for misconduct you lose all benefits unless maybe you are a union member. I worked for a company once where a guy got fired and went into the office and asked for his vacation pay. I got there just in time to see him walk out the door with blood gushing from his nose.
    You are wrong. You do not lose pension benefits for misconduct. If that were the case, Sawyer, everybody would be "fired" the day before they retired. -- Benefits like vacation pay? I doubt one could lose those. 'Course an employer could decide to make you fight for that, I guess, if there was some precedent in place. I could see losing vacation pay and sick day pay. But never-ever pension.
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You are wrong. You do not lose pension benefits for misconduct. If that were the case, Sawyer, everybody would be "fired" the day before they retired. -- Benefits like vacation pay? I doubt one could lose those. 'Course an employer could decide to make you fight for that, I guess, if there was some precedent in place. I could see losing vacation pay and sick day pay. But never-ever pension.
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am never wrong.

    That's twice then.
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    He targeted conservative groups and you say he fulfilled his requirements. Connect the dots.
    There are no dots on the same page of the same book.

    If he fulfilled the requirements of a pension, then he is entitled to it pure and simple. If he did something wrong, there are avenues to pursue that.
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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's twice then.
    OK I have been researching this and you are right but the point is obama made it sound like this guy is being punished when in reality he is being REWARDED! HAPPY?

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are no dots on the same page of the same book.

    If he fulfilled the requirements of a pension, then he is entitled to it pure and simple. If he did something wrong, there are avenues to pursue that.
    SUPPOSEDLY he was fired for doing something wrong, supposedly.

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    Re: Should Steven Miller retire with full benefits

    Mr Miller is an arrogant sob who feels he is above the law not unlike most in the Obama administration. He should go to prison.
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