View Poll Results: Which obama scandal is the worst

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Thread: Which scandal is the worst

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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Obama stole this election. He's not a legitimate president.
    You can't steal an election unless you tampered with votes.

    No amount of misinformation can constitute stealing an election, even if (as in the case oh so many Italian politicians) you literally own the media. People voting for someone despite being misinformed is them being comfortable with misinformation to the extent that it doesn't affect their vote. In that sense, it reflects the will of the people.

    Even before the Information Age, there were ways of acquiring insight into the true functioning of government. After the Information Age, there is basically no excuse. People only don't see through misinformation because they don't want to or because it doesn't matter to them.
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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Anyway, you never did answer my question, and I think you may have missed my point. Most of my original post was on how this type of thing has been a problem for awhile. We need to see it always and not only when it's the other party. I repeat for the third time I do not excuse Obama or his administration. I was seeking information in the question. Any possible distinction would be based on what the actual information was or wasn't.
    I don't know the answer to your question as to whether or not penalties were assessed. But, I repeat, it's hardly the point.

    I'll tell you what. I'm sick and tired of people (who would claim to be impartial and bipartisan) saying, "Bush did it too, and he did it worse." The fact that the IRS carefully let out the information that it had improperly targeted conservative groups and apologized for it, says it all.

    This is huge. I don't care who the president is. I care that an all-powerful governmental agency is partisan. There is no more powerful arm of government than the IRS. They can destroy people. The IRS can cost them tens of thousands...hundreds of thousands...of dollars defending themselves against accusations of tax fraud; threaten them with revoking their charitable designation...seize their assets.

    I'm not 'attacking you.' Every American should be outraged.

    And we are such sheep that we can't see what's happening. Coincidentally, President Obama went on tour about jobs with all that implies. You know, reporters on Air Force One, schmoozing the news, "Look over there!!" diversions. Obama said, paraphrased, "If this is happening it is an outrage." We know it happened. The IRS admitted it happened. Where is his outrage? Where is assurance to the American people that this corruption will be stopped? Where is the president demanding accountability? He's using his bully pulpit to divert us from the IRS' abuse of power instead of showing us his outrage.

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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There are three recent obama scandals and one older one so you have four choices here. I am going with Benghazi because of the deaths and the desperation those people must have felt when they called for help and our president was asleep at the wheel. Then there is the cover up involved in this event and the subsequent lies to the American people.
    I voted for AP. Because of the perception of it being the only "real" scandal that the media can talk about. The rest are considered GOP Witch Hunts. And I feel like there is more to the AP Scandal than meets the eye. I think Fox News needs to stop hiding and just come out already with some type of evidence that they were targeted as well. We all know Obama doesn't approve of Fox reporters being at his press conferences, and we know of the monitoring of Republican cloak rooms. Though, it's weird that the IRS was also targeting conservative groups. However, it's kinda hypocritical that they were asking for tax exemptions in the first place.
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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The policies and practices that led to the financial meltdown in 2008.
    That would be the Policies of Clinton, who in 1995 through Executive Order lowered long held Standards on the GSEs for Capital Requirements AND placed them under HUD regulatory control to purchase an increasing number of sub-prime loans.

    In 1997 Fannie Mae securitized its first sub-prime loan.

    From 1993 - 1998 Clinton replaced all of the executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac including the Democrat Criminal Franklin Raines who mis-reported billions in profit to meet executuve bonus targets AND who created a corrupt partnership with the CEO of CountryWide to purchase over 70% of their crap loans.

    The 1995 Homeownership Stratrgy also increased pressure on lenders to lower their standards and comply with CRA "test" .

    In 2000 Andrew Cuomo, the Secretary of HUD pledged 2 TRILLION for the purchase of " affordable mortgages"....the idiot Lib Bush blamers have him a Govenorship for his corruption.

    By 2008 Fannie and Freddie held over 5 TRILLION in Sub-Prime, Alt-A and low down payment loans or held MBSs that were backed bu Sub-Prime Loans.

    Fannie Held 1.7 Tlion in CRA loans.....it's now sitting on the books of our Treasury as toxic debt.

    Bush from 2001 - 2007 tried to reign in the ever increasing corrupt GSEs with the Democrats fighting him with letters, obfuscation and charges of racism.

    Fannie's Regulator in 2004 warned Democrats of their massive size and low Capital Requirement. The Democrats ignored them and continuedbto fight off any new regulation that would dlow them down.

    In 2005 a Bill was sent to through Comittee that would have walked back the collapse, and placed Fannie and Freddie under a strict regulatory board.

    The Republicand had 55 votes in the Senate and the Democrats threatened to Fillibuster it so, it never got a vote.

    It was re-introduced in 2007 in a Democrat chaired comittee but of-course,never left comittee.

    So yes, what the Democrats did to this Country was almost criminal, claiming " discrimination " and " redlining " and bullying lending institutions into lowering standards that had been in place for decades, that prevented a Sub-Prime bubble.

    Clinton appointing criminals to run the GSEs like Franklin Raines, and Jamie Gorelick, who in 2000 at a banking Conference asked banks to sell Fannie their toxic loans.

    " We want to buy your CRA loans because it helps us meet our HomeOwnership Goals " ....HUD Quota for Fannie in 2000 was 50% of all loans purchased had to be sub-prime....." We will buy them from your portfolios and turn them into Securities."

    Fannie poisoned the market with toxic securities long before they were created and traded by private banks. In 2004 Freddie OWNED 40% of all Private MBSs.

    If " redlining " was about denying people loans based soley on the color of their skin, why did they have to lower lending standards to fight it ?

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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There are three recent obama scandals and one older one so you have four choices here. I am going with Benghazi because of the deaths and the desperation those people must have felt when they called for help and our president was asleep at the wheel. Then there is the cover up involved in this event and the subsequent lies to the American people.
    AP, for a couple reasons.

    The first reason is that IRS and Benghazi just don't really surprise me. They seem like political par for the course, honestly. Fast and Furious I consider worse than those two, but it's basically just a large-scale version of what we see all over the place. Again, not surprising.

    The second reason is that as yellow as journalism may be this days, freedom of the press was one of the few liberties that was still relatively intact, at least in theory.

    It symbolizes the expansion of one of the most dangerous things no one is looking at in America right now: increased surveillance with practically no controls.
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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    AP, for a couple reasons.

    The first reason is that IRS and Benghazi just don't really surprise me. They seem like political par for the course, honestly. Fast and Furious I consider worse than those two, but it's basically just a large-scale version of what we see all over the place. Again, not surprising.

    The second reason is that as yellow as journalism may be this days, freedom of the press was one of the few liberties that was still relatively intact, at least in theory.

    It symbolizes the expansion of one of the most dangerous things no one is looking at in America right now: increased surveillance with practically no controls.
    Honest answer, thank you.

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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't know the answer to your question as to whether or not penalties were assessed. But, I repeat, it's hardly the point.

    I'll tell you what. I'm sick and tired of people (who would claim to be impartial and bipartisan) saying, "Bush did it too, and he did it worse." The fact that the IRS carefully let out the information that it had improperly targeted conservative groups and apologized for it, says it all.

    This is huge. I don't care who the president is. I care that an all-powerful governmental agency is partisan. There is no more powerful arm of government than the IRS. They can destroy people. The IRS can cost them tens of thousands...hundreds of thousands...of dollars defending themselves against accusations of tax fraud; threaten them with revoking their charitable designation...seize their assets.

    I'm not 'attacking you.' Every American should be outraged.

    And we are such sheep that we can't see what's happening. Coincidentally, President Obama went on tour about jobs with all that implies. You know, reporters on Air Force One, schmoozing the news, "Look over there!!" diversions. Obama said, paraphrased, "If this is happening it is an outrage." We know it happened. The IRS admitted it happened. Where is his outrage? Where is assurance to the American people that this corruption will be stopped? Where is the president demanding accountability? He's using his bully pulpit to divert us from the IRS' abuse of power instead of showing us his outrage.

    "What difference does it make??" The new mantra.
    I out would accept outrage if it was consistent. Made some logical sense, following some logical reasoning. Yes, this seems like an abuse of power. One of many that we have allowed for a longtime, with each group making excuses for their side. But this snt an Obama problem, or a Bush problem, or a democrat problem, or a republican problem, or a media problem. It's a problem of the American people who have lost the ability to reason through these issues and see sides instead of problems. There is no problem with these groups being checked. None. Where the problem lies is in being selective based on politics or party.

    Now, we don't really know everything yet, and ths may grow into something major. But right now we should be asking questions and assuming answers. And we should exercise our vote properly when the time comes. No change of any significance will ever come without us full engaged.

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