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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Obama stole this election. He's not a legitimate president.

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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

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    Are we back to seeping playing word games with the word recess?
    I'm not. Are you?
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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I will ask a question though: has any tea party group reported any penalty given by the IRS?
    That, my dear Boo Radley, is not the point. And you damned well know it.
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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    I chose Fast and Furious. The US Government coerced legitimate gun dealers with federal firearms licenses to sell to straw buyers knowing full well the firearms would cross an international border and end up in the possession of drug cartels, killing people. Not only that, but they blamed Americans for the violence they perpetrated.

    Now they have the balls to try to implement more gun control and deprive Americans their 2nd Amendment rights.

    What bastards.
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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That, my dear Boo Radley, is not the point. And you damned well know it.
    Some people are defending the IRS more than the IRS is defending the IRS.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Geeze. It's a freaking smorgasbord. Benghazi. The country owes them better than the fate they were left to, and the murderers still run free.

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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That, my dear Boo Radley, is not the point. And you damned well know it.
    I didn't say it was the entire point. I thought I made that clear in what came before the question. However, targeting a group, say like Bush with the Amish is one thing, going beyond that another. I'm not excusing the act, but asking if it went beyond implied pressure?

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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Obama stole this election. He's not a legitimate president.
    Right, he stole an election in which he ran essentially unopposed.

    Given that our electorate is sufficiently polarized that every candidate starts with a 47% base and Obama won 51.1 to 47.2, Obama received more than 2/3 of the available vote while Romney received (on a relative basis) almost no votes. I would say the Republicans simply finished what they started: they started the year with a bazooka aimed at their feet and they pulled the trigger.

    Sorry that you have yet to come to grips with the reality of the 2012 election, but its probably time to try.
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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn't say it was the entire point. I thought I made that clear in what came before the question. However, targeting a group, say like Bush with the Amish is one thing, going beyond that another. I'm not excusing the act, but asking if it went beyond implied pressure?
    How do you think the IRS would "imply pressure"? Bush targetting the Amish? You mean wooing their vote? I don't see a connection with the IRS at all. What??

    Although Lerner said about 300 groups were originally targeted, [Lerner is with the IRS.] news reports suggest that 500 may be a better estimate. According to a timeline of IRS actions released by ABC News, the criteria for targeting changed multiple times, from things like tea party groups to things like "political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding government, educating on the constitution and bill of rights, social economic reform/movement."
    Here are some of the weirdest and most notable questions and requests that ABC found in roughly half a dozen IRS questionnaires sent to tea party groups from 2010 to 2012:

    • “Provide a list of all issues that are important to your organization. Indicate your position regarding each issue.”
    • “Please explain in detail the derivation of your organization’s name.” (in a letter to the Ohio-based 1851 Center for Constitutional Law)
    • “Please explain in detail your organization’s involvement with the Tea Party.”
    • “Provide details regarding your relationship with Justin Binik-Thomas.” (a Cincinnati-area Tea-Party activist)
    • “Provide information regarding the Butler County Teen Age Republicans and your relationship.”
    • “Submit the following information relating to your past and present directors, officers, and key employees: a) Provide a resume for each.”
    • “The names of the donors, contributors, and grantors. … The amounts of each of the donations, contributions, and grants and the dates you received them.”
    • “The names of persons from your organization and the amount of time they spent on the event or program.” (for events)
    • “Provide copies of the handbills you distributed at your monthly meetings.”
    • “Fully describe your youth outreach program with the local school.”
    • “Please provide copies of all your current web pages, including your Blog posts. Please provide copies of all of your newsletters, bulletins, flyers, newsletters or any other media or literature you have disseminated to your members or others. Please provide copies of stories and articles that have been published about you.”
    • “Are you on Facebook or other social networking sites? If yes, provide copies of these pages.”
    • “Provide copies of the agendas and minutes of your Board meetings and, if applicable, members ship meetings, including a description of legislative and electoral issues discussed, and whether candidates for political office were invited to address the meeting.”
    • “Do your issue-related advocacy communications compare to the positions of candidates or slates of candidates on these issues with your positions? Provide copies of these communications. What percentage do these constitute of your issue-related advocacy communications?”
    • “Do you have a close relationship with any candidate for political office or political party? If so describe fully the nature of that relationship.”
    • “Apart from your responses to the preceding, estimate the percentage of your time and what percentage of your resources you will devote to activities in the 2012 election cycle, in which you will explicitly or implicitly support or oppose a candidate, candidates or slates of candidates, for public office.”
    Weirdest IRS Questions for the Tea Party: Views, Donors, and Etymology - ABC News
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    Re: Which scandal is the worst

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    How do you think the IRS would "imply pressure"? Bush targetting the Amish? You mean wooing their vote? I don't see a connection with the IRS at all. What??




    Weirdest IRS Questions for the Tea Party: Views, Donors, and Etymology - ABC News
    It not a close relationship with the IRS, but abuse of power. Bush's people spying on the Quakers (not Amish, my mistake) or other such abuses are all part of the same problem we face today, regardless of party.

    WASHINGTON — A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military.

    Is the Pentagon spying on Americans? - NBCNightlyNews - NBC News Investigates | NBC News


    In September of 2006, under the very politicized Bush administration, the IRS investigated a liberal California church because of an antiwar sermon delivered by its former rector. The sermon in question was delivered on Oct. 31, 2004 by Rev. George F. Regas, who prefaced his indictment of the Iraq war and the Bush policies that increased the chasm between the rich and the poor with the statement that he was not urging the congregation to vote one way or another.

    Under Bush the IRS Targeted a Liberal Church for an Anti War Sermon

    THE SCANDAL unfolding around the firing of eight U.S. attorneys compels the conclusion that the Bush administration has rewarded loyalty over all else. A destructive pattern of partisan political actions at the Justice Department started long before this incident, however, as those of us who worked in its civil rights division can attest.

    Bush's long history of tilting Justice - latimes.com



    Anyway, you never did answer my question, and I think you may have missed my point. Most of my original post was on how this type of thing has been a problem for awhile. We need to see it always and not only when it's the other party. I repeat for the third time I do not excuse Obama or his administration. I was seeking information in the question. Any possible distinction would be based on what the actual information was or wasn't.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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