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Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

Do you think conservatives' history creates a distrust of the messenger?

  • Yes. GOP behavior in the past 5 years has created a who cares attitude

    Votes: 7 58.3%
  • No. People are not impacted in their thinking on these issues by the past.

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • Total voters
    12
Thanks for the personal complement.

An important point I was making is with the democrats dishonest vilification of President Bush, who I rigorously defended by the way against those ridiculous claims, with few exceptions those making the claims were either certified nutjobs of the democrat party and/or people I'd never heard of and most likely both. With respect to republican vilification of President Obama, those making the ridiculous claims happen to be some of the most respected leaders in our party.

I find that an interesting claim.

Michael Moore, who became the face of the 9/11 conspiracy movement after Fahrenheit 9/11, was invited to the DNC and seated in the Presidential box next to President Carter. Can you name for me similar honoring by Republican leadership of the Birthers?
 
Thanks for the personal complement.

An important point I was making is with the democrats dishonest vilification of President Bush, who I rigorously defended by the way against those ridiculous claims, with few exceptions those making the claims were either certified nutjobs of the democrat party and/or people I'd never heard of and most likely both. With respect to republican vilification of President Obama, those making the ridiculous claims happen to be some of the most respected leaders in our party. Then they use the unknown democrat nutjob as some sort of even stevens justification of leading, respected and highly influential Republicans acting in a similar way, thus promoting me to publicly point it out and vote in ways that hopefully will bring the GOP to its senses and return to being the party I can have faith in again.

Defense of bush was rare...even a TV show called little bush aired.

I mean come on.

But if this were a republican you know the left would be all over this.
 
well, it's an interesting idea, though poorly written out with laughable attempts at examples.


were Democrats held back in their ability to blame the Bush administration for mishandling the Iraq War and the 2008 financial meltdown because the left had spent the previous 4 years accusing him of secretly orchestrating 9/11?
Did Congress do that??? I don't seem to recall that ever being a topic of discussion on the floor of either House.
 
Did Congress do that??? I don't seem to recall that ever being a topic of discussion on the floor of either House.

Congress declared that Obama wasn't really a citizen? Wow, I must have missed that story.
 
Congress declared that Obama wasn't really a citizen? Wow, I must have missed that story.
I didn't say Congress started that. In fact, I specifically mentioned Republican's most devoted fans (aka, fanatics) believing that. Is that what you meant to say about the 9/11 conpriracy, that they were only from the fanatics? It sure didn't look like that.


However, we've heard plenty of claims from the Congresscritters about Obama, most of them blown completely out of proportion. It's just background noise at this point, which I'm fine with because it stops the knee jerk reactions. The gun law discussion is just as stupid and for the same reason.
 
I didn't say Congress started that. In fact, I specifically mentioned Republican's most devoted fans (aka, fanatics) believing that. Is that what you meant to say about the 9/11 conpriracy, that they were only from the fanatics? It sure didn't look like that.

My point was that the claim that conservatives' behavior towards Obama has ever been more ridiculous than liberals behavior towards Bush is laughable; and that since their behavior didn't effect the Democrats in 2006 and 2008, I find it unlikely that the birthers are going to really effect Republicans in 2014 or 2016.
 
My point was that the claim that conservatives' behavior towards Obama has ever been more ridiculous than liberals behavior towards Bush is laughable; and that since their behavior didn't effect the Democrats in 2006 and 2008, I find it unlikely that the birthers are going to really effect Republicans in 2014 or 2016.
I don't remember the Dems ever assigning someone like Starr to a Republican president.
 
Defense of bush was rare...even a TV show called little bush aired.

I mean come on.

But if this were a republican you know the left would be all over this.

I agree. Maybe I hold the GOP in a place where I expect them to be better than that. GOP culture since 2008 IMHO has been disappointing and embarrassing. Not what I expect the party I joined because I was attracted to their desire to walk the moral high ground.
 
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Btw, these scandals only seem less "serious" to the partisan apologists. Yes, yes, we know, Bush did it too! Bush isn't POTUS.
 
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I find that an interesting claim.

Michael Moore, who became the face of the 9/11 conspiracy movement after Fahrenheit 9/11, was invited to the DNC and seated in the Presidential box next to President Carter. Can you name for me similar honoring by Republican leadership of the Birthers?

I'd never heard of Michael Moore until the 911 movie. Plus I didn't say there were no high profile democrats engaging in craziness or all republicans, just few and many. Besides, I joined the GOP because I was attracted to their seeming desire to not stoop to the levels of democrats, take the moral high road, strive to do the right things, patriotism over party, etc.

7 Birthers Speaking At The Republican Convention | ThinkProgress

And btw, I googled the answer to the question you asked. I've also learned since 2008 the insanity include demonizing people who cite sources not considered republican friendly as immoral people by some.
 
I'd never heard of Michael Moore until the 911 movie. Plus I didn't say there were no high profile democrats engaging in craziness or all republicans, just few and many. Besides, I joined the GOP because I was attracted to their seeming desire to not stoop to the levels of democrats, take the moral high road, strive to do the right things, patriotism over party, etc.

7 Birthers Speaking At The Republican Convention | ThinkProgress

:roll: did you read the document you linked?/ Of the 7 people they mention, ONE is actually a birther - Donald Trump. Who is no conservative, advocate for a single-payer healthcare system and Democrat donor, he.

And btw, I googled the answer to the question you asked. I've also learned since 2008 the insanity include demonizing people who cite sources not considered republican friendly as immoral people by some.

Ah. By Some. We live in a world where "some" call in false crime reports so that SWAT teams will be deployed to notable conservatives' homes, hoping for a tragic accident. I'd say "by some" isn't all that a good a measure.
 
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