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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Anyone who knows what that expression means, can clearly see that it doesn't apply here, and that it falsely describes what happened.
    Depends on how you look at it. A lot of right wing pundits have been calling scandal since Obama was elected. Now there's real scandals.
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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    The right has overplayed their hand on numerous occasions in terms of supposed scandals. That is, however, no excuse to dismiss legitimate abuses or incompetency on the part of the Administration. Which one of the current fiascoes would qualify as such is quite obviously up for debate.

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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The right has overplayed their hand on numerous occasions in terms of supposed scandals. That is, however, no excuse to dismiss legitimate abuses or incompetency on the part of the Administration. Which one of the current fiascoes would qualify as such is quite obviously up for debate.
    It's not just been "numerous occasions", it's been almost a non-stop blathering, which has now become background noise to a large extent. Previous claims and accusations have now come back to bite the Republicans in the butt. They've lost credibility on this issue for all but their most loyal fans, many of whom still believe Obama isn't a US citizen.

    So, no, I don't think it should "dismiss legitimate abuses or incompetency" but it certainly limits the knee jerk reactions to such claims. No reason to even look at it until more evidence is shown. It's most likely just another red herring like so many others before it.
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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    ...demonizing and trying to cause the President to fail often using the most ridiculous arguments? To me, there is a big credibility problem with the right in America. If you spend a half a decade having a conniption over:

    -He's not eligible to be potus because he's not an America citizen despite being a grandson of a WWII vet who served under Gen. George Patton and even if the constitution did not afford citizenship to the children of American citizens born anywhere, the REPUBLICAN Governor of Hawaii said he was born in Hawaii.

    -He has a deep seeded hatred for white people; that would have to include his own mother.

    -He hates the constitution and subverts it by appointing non-elected, unaccountable White House czars bypassing the senate confirmation process laid out by the founding fathers. Not mentioning every president since FDR except one has had White House czars and the record holder of the POTUS with the most was republican President George W Bush but they said NOTHING about that at the time or after.

    -He hates Israel. Never mentioning his chief adviser, the White House Chief of Staff was not only Jewish but spent summers in Israel as a kid and volunteered for the Israeli civil air patrol when Saddam Hussein was lobbing scud missiles toward Tel Aviv in the 1990s.

    -A USDA official shares how God changed her heart from someone who resented Whites due to racism she and her family experienced as a child but grew to love all people equally. The Pundits carefully edit the video to deliberately make it sound like the Obama Administration appoints officials who hate White people and go into 5th gear plastering it all over the conservative media. Not having access to the entire video, the Obama Administration terminates her. Then instead of trying to salvage some semblance of credibility, saying they were deceived too and apologize to the lady who lost her job and the White House, the conservative media figures out a way to blame Obama for jumping to conclusions and the pundit who deceptively edited the video gets a wink and a nod and continues to enjoy VIP status as an important and respected voice for conservatism until his untimely passing.

    -Hip Hip Hooray! The USA (Chicago, Obama's home town) lost its bid to host the Olympics. Up with Brazil, down with America...because its Chicago.

    -Yahooooo! The urban crime rate is at an all time high in Chicago, the President's hometown. Gotta love it when people get killed if it scores political points!

    -Then when you mention this type of stuff is shameful to your republican friends, they compare it to the behavior mostly no-name extremists in the Democrat party when its mostly our party's most respected leaders and standard bearers.

    I could go on...It's a wonder I haven't switched party's.

    Anyway, with me eventually I just write off any criticism of the Obama Presidency. Now we have Benghazi, The IRS scandal and AP wire taps and I honestly am giving the White House the benefit of the doubt; didn't realize the severity of the problem, initial intelligence as to the players involved was faulty, didn't realize what was going on by badly behaving employees in Cincinnati and disciplinary action is underway including the possibility of criminal charges, legitimate anti-terror investigation in efforts to save American lives. I also realize, in order to get to the truth you need to objectively hear all sides but in my mind those on the right have absolutely no credibility left as caring about truth; all they care about is demonizing the President.

    My question is do you think the seriousness of the current events mentioned would be viewed as such or even followed and cared about by more people if those (conservatives) claiming these allegations are of "such a grave nature and here's why" if they had a history and reputation of fairness, honesty, integrity and respect in their past dealings with the President?
    well, it's an interesting idea, though poorly written out with laughable attempts at examples.


    were Democrats held back in their ability to blame the Bush administration for mishandling the Iraq War and the 2008 financial meltdown because the left had spent the previous 4 years accusing him of secretly orchestrating 9/11?

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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, it's an interesting idea, though poorly written out with laughable attempts at examples.


    were Democrats held back in their ability to blame the Bush administration for mishandling the Iraq War and the 2008 financial meltdown because the left had spent the previous 4 years accusing him of secretly orchestrating 9/11?
    Thanks for the personal complement.

    An important point I was making is with the democrats dishonest vilification of President Bush, who I rigorously defended by the way against those ridiculous claims, with few exceptions those making the claims were either certified nutjobs of the democrat party and/or people I'd never heard of and most likely both. With respect to republican vilification of President Obama, those making the ridiculous claims happen to be some of the most respected leaders in our party. Then they use the unknown democrat nutjob as some sort of even stevens justification of leading, respected and highly influential Republicans acting in a similar way, thus promoting me to publicly point it out and vote in ways that hopefully will bring the GOP to its senses and return to being the party I can have faith in again.
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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Thanks for the personal complement.

    An important point I was making is with the democrats dishonest vilification of President Bush, who I rigorously defended by the way against those ridiculous claims, with few exceptions those making the claims were either certified nutjobs of the democrat party and/or people I'd never heard of and most likely both. With respect to republican vilification of President Obama, those making the ridiculous claims happen to be some of the most respected leaders in our party.
    I find that an interesting claim.

    Michael Moore, who became the face of the 9/11 conspiracy movement after Fahrenheit 9/11, was invited to the DNC and seated in the Presidential box next to President Carter. Can you name for me similar honoring by Republican leadership of the Birthers?

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    Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Thanks for the personal complement.

    An important point I was making is with the democrats dishonest vilification of President Bush, who I rigorously defended by the way against those ridiculous claims, with few exceptions those making the claims were either certified nutjobs of the democrat party and/or people I'd never heard of and most likely both. With respect to republican vilification of President Obama, those making the ridiculous claims happen to be some of the most respected leaders in our party. Then they use the unknown democrat nutjob as some sort of even stevens justification of leading, respected and highly influential Republicans acting in a similar way, thus promoting me to publicly point it out and vote in ways that hopefully will bring the GOP to its senses and return to being the party I can have faith in again.
    Defense of bush was rare...even a TV show called little bush aired.

    I mean come on.

    But if this were a republican you know the left would be all over this.
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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, it's an interesting idea, though poorly written out with laughable attempts at examples.


    were Democrats held back in their ability to blame the Bush administration for mishandling the Iraq War and the 2008 financial meltdown because the left had spent the previous 4 years accusing him of secretly orchestrating 9/11?
    Did Congress do that??? I don't seem to recall that ever being a topic of discussion on the floor of either House.
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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Did Congress do that??? I don't seem to recall that ever being a topic of discussion on the floor of either House.
    Congress declared that Obama wasn't really a citizen? Wow, I must have missed that story.

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    Re: Would AP/IRS seem more serious if the right had not spent tge last 5 years...

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Congress declared that Obama wasn't really a citizen? Wow, I must have missed that story.
    I didn't say Congress started that. In fact, I specifically mentioned Republican's most devoted fans (aka, fanatics) believing that. Is that what you meant to say about the 9/11 conpriracy, that they were only from the fanatics? It sure didn't look like that.


    However, we've heard plenty of claims from the Congresscritters about Obama, most of them blown completely out of proportion. It's just background noise at this point, which I'm fine with because it stops the knee jerk reactions. The gun law discussion is just as stupid and for the same reason.
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