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  • Israel. The UN created it for a reason

    23 31.51%
  • Palestine. It was their land.

    18 24.66%
  • Israel, but the land the UN gave them when first made.

    15 20.55%
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Thread: Israel and Palestine

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by Soviet_Guy
    I just do not accept Israel as a well deserving country in the middle east here are my top 5 reasons:

    5. Palestinians deserve their own country
    4. Too ignorant, the land wasn't given to them by god, if it was, they wouldn't have lost it in the first place
    3. They were pittied because of the Halocaust, this is why they got the land, out of sympathy
    2. The land was given to them, they didn't gain it
    1. The territory is and has for many centuries been controlled by muslims
    Palestinian who? Jews or Arabs? Palestinians originally were nomads consisting of Jews & Arabs that lived in the area that is now Israel & Jordan. With that said & the assumption you mean Arab Palestinians they were given their own country. It was called Trans-Jordan & later shortened to Jordan. The folks you now call Palestinians are the Arabs who didn't move to Jordan when they should have. Now, neither side wants them. The reasons, or at least theories on the reasons, are another whole topic of discussion.

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Palestine was a country since the 1850s I believe, and most of them werer Muslim.

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by Soviet_Guy
    Palestine was a country since the 1850s I believe, and most of them werer Muslim.
    Wrong. There has NEVER been a country called Palestine. The area in question was a part of the Ottoman Empire until the end of World War I when the land that is now Israel, the territories, and Jordan were assigned as a League mandate to Britain while Lebanon and Syria were assigned as mandates to the French.
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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    http://www.morainevalley.edu/ctl/Mid...Africa1920.jpg

    A map of the Middle East in 1920.

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by Soviet_Guy
    That map does nothing but prove my point. That map shows Palestine as a mandatory territory granted to Britain following World War I by the League of Nations, just as I said in my last post on the subject!
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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    I think that since the Allies conquered the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI, they could do with the Ottoman Empire's land as they saw fit. They made it into Israel...which they shouldnt have lol, but they did, and thus it was here to stay. Therefore, it should stay to where the UN originally set the amount of land after WWI...They shouldn't be allowed to invade Palestine just because they wanted land...When Iraq tried that, there was internation repurcussions (sp?)..So I think it should set to the original terms in 1920.

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hornburger
    I think that since the Allies conquered the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI, they could do with the Ottoman Empire's land as they saw fit. They made it into Israel...which they shouldnt have lol, but they did, and thus it was here to stay. Therefore, it should stay to where the UN originally set the amount of land after WWI...They shouldn't be allowed to invade Palestine just because they wanted land...When Iraq tried that, there was internation repurcussions (sp?)..So I think it should set to the original terms in 1920.
    Following World War I, the League of Nations gave Britain a mandate to administer "Palestine" and "Transjordan" while the French were given a mandate to administer "Lebanon" and "Syria."

    Following World War II, the newly created United Nations passed a resolution by which two states would have been created, one "Israel" and one "Palestine". Israel wasn't a creation of Britain, but rather was a creation of the United Nations. Israel was willing to accept the boundaries created by the United Nations and declared independence with those boundaries. The Arabs are the ones who refused the decision of the United Nations and decided to invade Israel. Israel was fighting a defensive war and acquired territory following that war. Completely justified.
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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    Following World War I, the League of Nations gave Britain a mandate to administer "Palestine" and "Transjordan" while the French were given a mandate to administer "Lebanon" and "Syria."

    Following World War II, the newly created United Nations passed a resolution by which two states would have been created, one "Israel" and one "Palestine". Israel wasn't a creation of Britain, but rather was a creation of the United Nations. Israel was willing to accept the boundaries created by the United Nations and declared independence with those boundaries. The Arabs are the ones who refused the decision of the United Nations and decided to invade Israel. Israel was fighting a defensive war and acquired territory following that war. Completely justified.
    Wait was "Transjordan" really Palestine by named differently?
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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hornburger
    Wait was "Transjordan" really Palestine by named differently?
    No. There were three mandatory territories in the region. One is Iraq. One was Transjordan and the other was Palestine. Palestine is modern-day Israel and the occupied territorties. Transjordan is the present boundaries of the nation of Jordan, on the other side of the Jordan River (hence the name Transjordan.)

    There were both Jews and Arabs living in Palestine when the British gained the mandate. Jews had been settling in Palestine for a long time as they were welcome by the ruling Turks for centuries. In 1948, the United Nations passed a resolution creating the nation-states of Palestine and Israel. Israel accepted the decision of the UN. The Arabs did not, choosing to invade in violation of the United Nations CHarter.
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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai
    No. There were three mandatory territories in the region. One is Iraq. One was Transjordan and the other was Palestine. Palestine is modern-day Israel and the occupied territorties. Transjordan is the present boundaries of the nation of Jordan, on the other side of the Jordan River (hence the name Transjordan.)

    There were both Jews and Arabs living in Palestine when the British gained the mandate. Jews had been settling in Palestine for a long time as they were welcome by the ruling Turks for centuries. In 1948, the United Nations passed a resolution creating the nation-states of Palestine and Israel. Israel accepted the decision of the UN. The Arabs did not, choosing to invade in violation of the United Nations CHarter.
    haha sorry I'm slow and the whole thing can get confusing lol...so basically Israel wasn't created until 1948 while Palestine was a mandate in 1920?
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