View Poll Results: Israel or Palestine?

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  • Israel. The UN created it for a reason

    23 31.51%
  • Palestine. It was their land.

    18 24.66%
  • Israel, but the land the UN gave them when first made.

    15 20.55%
  • Other (post below)

    17 23.29%
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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasea
    The entire country is smaller in size than the State of New Jersey, and much of it is desert. What is there to split?

    Why haven't the wealthy Arab nations which surround Israel shown some mercy and compassion for the generations of those they call Palestinians instead of forcing them to live in horrendous conditions in the quest to force Israel into the sea?

    The answer is simple. It is a game and the miserable Arabs called Palestinians are clearly the pawns. Their lives are continually sacrificed in order to keep the pot boiling. If the folks in the Arab capitals who pull the strings wanted peace, they could order it to occur at 2 PM tomorrow, and it would.

    They always get what they want. However, peace is not what they want, is it?
    Most excellent (original I think) point. I will use that one. Teacher has learned. The Muslims don't have each others back do they in spite of all their rhetoric. To carry it further when the chips are down Christian nations (in recent history) seem to help each other. Not committed to that but send opposing examples if any because if none we might be on to something worth further scrutiny. Last 100 years or so.

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    No matter the history, religious belief, or any topic the most salient point is Palestinians target children. If they didn't I would consider their platform but that is just indescribable. How the Jews have had as much restraint as they have is either respectable or unfathomable. How many presently singing cumbaya would change their tune if their child was blown up. Can anyone defend that? If a child of mine was killed so people would learn what a hunter can do with a scoped rifle.

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasea

    The answer is simple. It is a game and the miserable Arabs called Palestinians are clearly the pawns. Their lives are continually sacrificed in order to keep the pot boiling. If the folks in the Arab capitals who pull the strings wanted peace, they could order it to occur at 2 PM tomorrow, and it would.
    Gee, more totally unsubstantiated BS....how shocking
    Please enlighten us all in your usual method, by using broad generalization that have no basis in fact? Tell us about those "miserable Arabs"? Whose sacrificing them? What makes them "miserable"? C'mon, enlighten us! You've done it again, you've created a FANTASEA world for yourself....good job!

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by 26 X World Champs
    Gee, more totally unsubstantiated BS....how shocking
    Please enlighten us all in your usual method, by using broad generalization that have no basis in fact? Tell us about those "miserable Arabs"? Whose sacrificing them? What makes them "miserable"? C'mon, enlighten us! You've done it again, you've created a FANTASEA world for yourself....good job!

    Various Arab countries giving money to families of suicide bombers work for you? You are correct about miserable though. They have not enough knowledge to be miserable. When you're only taught growing up martyrdom is the highest honor why I'd say they are downright giddy. All this debate fades to insignificance though because they target CHILDREN. If anyone can justify that I'll vote for Hillary.There are no shades of gray.

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by shuamort
    I voted other because I believe it shouldn't be up to the United States to get involved in the religious war over there. Let them figure it out amongst themselves.


    They have not had a significant break in conflict in the middle east for 2800 years. What makes you think they can do so now?
    The stagnant inflexible religion imposed upon them by clerical leaders prevents any resolution of conflict.

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    I am posting a letter I wrote to the editor of my local newspaper. It's not really about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict alone. It's actually more about the Iraq War but I do touch briefly on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as it applies to the Iraq War. It's a response to another letter I read. Sorry for not staying totally on subject. There's a lot more to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict than what most people want to admit. I would also say that goes for the Middle East in general.




    Donna D. Stevens has an interesting point of view. Her story of going from “war advocate” to “peace advocate” may be compelling but doesn’t encapsulate all of us who still support the war effort. I’m a “justice advocate.” War is sometimes the means of that justice.

    Like Miss Stevens, I too am a Veteran & have searched for answers via the internet, books & documentaries. I read the book “Holy War, Inc. (inside the secret world of Osama bin Laden)” by Peter L. Bergen; a former CNN reporter. I also came across The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies website (www.defenddemocracies.com). Very informative on the Middle East in general. The History Channel has provided some excellent documentaries about Saddam Hussein & the Middle East as well. Just to name a few sources.

    I have read about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. I learned that Palestinians were two groups; Arabs & Jews. Both being Palestinian living a nomadic lifestyle in the area that is Israel & Jordan today. It was called Palestine but wasn’t declared a nation. Israel was given to the Jews while Trans-Jordan (later to be shortened to Jordan) was given to the Arabs. Today’s Palestinians are the Arab refugees that didn’t leave Israel when they should have. Now, neither side wants them.

    Saddam Hussein was instrumental in evoking the modern Arab movement against Israel. Some even suggest it was Saddam who led the charge against Anwar Sadat for signing the peace treaty with Israel that eventually led to Sadat’s assassination.


    In 1998 President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act. Section three of that legislation states: “It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”

    Also, like Miss Stevens, I’ve asked questions. Why Iraq now? Why was Iraq once a friend but now a foe? Why not Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Syria or Pakistan? Answers aren’t always clear, but that certainly doesn’t detract from the fact that war with Saddam’s Iraq was more than justifiable.

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by ShamMol
    btw-if we don't help, we won't get an outcome we like.
    well its not always about us now isnt it?
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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by 26 X World Champs
    Originally Posted by Fantasea

    The answer is simple. It is a game and the miserable Arabs called Palestinians are clearly the pawns. Their lives are continually sacrificed in order to keep the pot boiling. If the folks in the Arab capitals who pull the strings wanted peace, they could order it to occur at 2 PM tomorrow, and it would.
    Gee, more totally unsubstantiated BS....how shocking
    Please enlighten us all in your usual method, by using broad generalization that have no basis in fact? Tell us about those "miserable Arabs"? Whose sacrificing them? What makes them "miserable"? C'mon, enlighten us! You've done it again, you've created a FANTASEA world for yourself....good job!
    Mocking seems to be your only talent.

    Read this and tell me where the money, arms, logistics, and direction comes from that keeps the poverty stricken Palestinians raising hell in the 'hood all these years.

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq...esolutions.php

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    I just do not accept Israel as a well deserving country in the middle east here are my top 5 reasons:

    5. Palestinians deserve their own country
    4. Too ignorant, the land wasn't given to them by god, if it was, they wouldn't have lost it in the first place
    3. They were pittied because of the Halocaust, this is why they got the land, out of sympathy
    2. The land was given to them, they didn't gain it
    1. The territory is and has for many centuries been controlled by muslims

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    Re: Israel and Palestine

    Quote Originally Posted by Soviet_Guy
    I just do not accept Israel as a well deserving country in the middle east here are my top 5 reasons:

    5. Palestinians deserve their own country
    4. Too ignorant, the land wasn't given to them by god, if it was, they wouldn't have lost it in the first place
    3. They were pittied because of the Halocaust, this is why they got the land, out of sympathy
    2. The land was given to them, they didn't gain it
    1. The territory is and has for many centuries been controlled by muslims
    5. The Palestinians were given their own country. It is called Jordan. Those in question, today, didn't want to go there.

    4. In 1948, a UN mandate created Israel.

    3. Would it be better to let the Arabs fulfill their desire to finish what the Holocaust began?

    2. The UN in determining where to resettle the displaced persons decided on the chosen location because the Jews has ancient ties to it.

    1. And from whom did the Muslims take it?

    Six million Israelis occupy a land area slightly smaller than the State of New Jersey, and about half of that is desert. As a country, it is minuscule; certainly tiny in comparison to its neighbors.

    It is interesting to review the formation of the modern day countries in the Middle East. Virtually all are of fairly recent vintage. Some a bit older than modern day Israel, some not as old.

    http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_faq..._countries.php

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