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Thread: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol... on what grounds? Obama isn't the head of the IRS.
    If he knew what they were doing and turned a blind eye he is gone. If he encouraged them to do what they were doing he is impeached.

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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    How in the world can you be so sure of that?
    I can't be "sure" of anything. Unlike others, however, I require evidence. There. Is. None.

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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Obama will weather the storm while not getting much else done. Joe "Put Y'all in Chains" Biden and Hillary "What does it matter" Clinton have better probability of winning the Powerball Saturday than the Presidency in 2016.
    If this has been closer to the end of the term I'd agree. 2016 is a long time from now and if the economy continues to improve it should be a slam dunk for another democrat in the White House in 2016.

    I do think Obama will not get much else done, but what's left anyway? My only worry is if any Supreme Court justices retire, which is a real possibly; I'm thinking Ginsberg. He did everything he wanted in the first term, namely universal healthcare and getting the pump primed on electric automotive technology, both of which I support in a RINO kinda way. 😉 I do think healthcare reform needs tweaking however, but Obamacare is a start.
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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I can't be "sure" of anything. Unlike others, however, I require evidence. There. Is. None.
    Thats fine and I agree with you but that is not what your previous post said. You said he has done nothing wrong which of course is impossible to know and proves your bias. With all the lies and deceit that he has been part of I think there is a very good chance he has indeed done something very wrong but I like you will require solid evidence.

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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If he knew what they were doing and turned a blind eye he is gone. If he encouraged them to do what they were doing he is impeached.
    If he knew what they were doing? As of what is currently known, this issue had already been brought up before within the IRS and a direct order was given for it to cease. So why would it even make it up to Obama? And even if it did, why would it be more than a water cooler conversation?

    Adviser: Hey, did you hear what happened in the IRS?
    Obama: No, what?
    Adviser: Caught a few guys discriminating against right wing groups.
    Obama: Well, tell them to cut that **** out. Now, on to the healthcare bill how's that going?

    You're grasping at straws here buddy.
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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I am no fan of obama but if he goes down we are left with Biden who is dumber of dumb and dumber so I am not rooting for obama's presidency to go up in smoke but I can't help but think he is in serious trouble. It has been one scandal after another and when he dodged the question today about when he knew what the IRS was doing alarms went off. If he is tied to this IRS thing he is done. So what do you think, does obama weather the storm or are we seeing another Nixon in the making?
    Course the concept of what a storm is depends on the experience of the judge. I'd say those who have been lashed by wind and spray don't see a storm here, more like a right wing rant in a teapot.

    Nixon wasn't hung for 'knowing' he was hung for actively attempting to cover it up and quite publicly hindering the investigation. Show the President has helped cover this up or if he fires anyone investigating it THEN you can drag Nixon out for a bit...

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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Over this? No. For me a warning sign is whether or not he can get much through the legislature at all. Without his affirmation toward a policy, the term is largely done. That is, unless, he has some internal matters to settle. If you can't get legislation through, it would be sweet to have additional bureaucratic changes.
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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If he knew what they were doing and turned a blind eye he is gone. If he encouraged them to do what they were doing he is impeached.
    I will stake my presence on DP that Obama has nothing to do with the IRS scandal.

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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    If this has been closer to the end of the term I'd agree. 2016 is a long time from now and if the economy continues to improve it should be a slam dunk for another democrat in the White House in 2016.

    I do think Obama will not get much else done, but what's left anyway? My only worry is if any Supreme Court justices retire, which is a real possibly; I'm thinking Ginsberg. He did everything he wanted in the first term, namely universal healthcare and getting the pump primed on electric automotive technology, both of which I support in a RINO kinda way. �� I do think healthcare reform needs tweaking however, but Obamacare is a start.
    I have said it a hundred times, he will nominate Hillary to replace Ginsberg.

    As for Joe:

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    Re: Are we witnessing the beginning of the end for obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I never ever mentioned the word of impeachment. But common sense will tell you that the president is having a hard time over the last week or too. Storm is probably the right word. Read my post number 2, then I think you will understand.
    Impeachment doesn't mean removal from office anyway, the Senate would vote on removal. President Clinton was impeached, but the Senate acquitted him. President Nixon quit because it was likely he would have been removed from office and lose the perks ex-presidents get.

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