View Poll Results: What is the most egregious Obama scandal

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  • Benghazi (can someone explain the scandal here?)

    4 2.48%
  • IRS scrutinizing conservative political organizations

    18 11.18%
  • DOJ wiretapping AP reports

    16 9.94%
  • Other (what?)

    4 2.48%
  • None of the above. They are all Con BS

    119 73.91%
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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No....but the program was an idea of the Justice Department under the Bush Administration. Something that a lot of you people fail to every recognize. True...the program was continued under Obama and I think it was a stupid program. But if you are going to pass blame you cannot bifurcate the facts.
    Sure we know it, but Obama could have changed it or ended it. He didn't. As far as I know there some differences too.
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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sure we know it, but Obama could have changed it or ended it. He didn't. As far as I know there some differences too.
    He SHOULD have changed it. I fault him for that. But there is no knowing whether the gun that killed the agent was bought under Obama's leadership or under GWB's. That is the point that those who scream "Fast and Furious" either refuse to recognize or are simply ignorant about because they don't know the facts.
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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    According to some, the scandal connected to Benghazi has to do with gun-running to Syria.

    From what I know of right now, the IRS scandal is the worst. How can any American citizen be okay with what they did?
    I may be stupid on the subject, but aren't the tax exemptions in question only supposed to be for non-political organizations? If an organization names itself after a political movement, isn't there some justification for targeting them?

    I am not making excuses, I'm just thinking out loud. And in ignorance.

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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    I am trying to become non-ignorant on the subject.

    Why Tax Exempt Groups are a Political Minefield for the IRS - ABC News

    To be sure, tax-exemption is one perk of receiving 501(c)4 status from the IRS, but the real reason the tax-exempt status has in recent years become a popular vehicle for groups that straddle the line between advocacy and politics is that the status allows them to do political work and keep their contributions hidden.

    Ever since the 2010 Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission Supreme Court ruling allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited amounts of money in political elections as long as they didn't coordinate their activities with campaigns or donate directly to candidates, groups seeking to influence elections but not disclose their donors have flocked to tax-exempt 501(c)4 organizations. The IRS said that applications for tax-exempt status shot up from 1,751 in 2009 to 3,357 in 2012.

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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Is that what this was for, terrorism? To my knowledge that hasn't been established.
    I haven't been following it closely but I think the AP investigation had to do with finding Boston Marathon bombing sleeper cells. I might be wrong; just so turn off by the Obama is the enemy stuff I just don't pay attention to most of it anymore.

    I'm looking now and just saw the Justice Department complied with the 4th Amendment and had subpenas to investigate AP. Can't find what they we're actually looking for yet.
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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    The Benghazi cover up is likely to bring down Obama. Benghazi has revealed what many of us already knew, that Obama is incompetent and was derelict in his duties as Cn'C.

    But the IRS going after conservatives is a more serious issue. And it reveals that Obama's supporters have no problem defecating on the Constitution.

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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I haven't been following it closely but I think the AP investigation had to do with finding Boston Marathon bombing sleeper cells. I might be wrong; just so turn off by the Obama is the enemy stuff I just don't pay attention to most of it anymore.
    Your way off Smeagol.

    The AP investigation is about finding who in the Obama administration was revealing classified information to the press to help President Obama to get reelected.

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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    I am interested to know more about the AP scandal, but I'm getting the impression that this just bad timing for the administration. Only the AP scandal could truly be 'Nixonian'.

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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I am trying to become non-ignorant on the subject.
    The bolded part 'The IRS said that applications for tax-exempt status shot up from 1,751 in 2009 to 3,357 in 2012' sounds magnificent until you realize the time line. Per the IG report and testimony today the 'tea party targeting' began in '09 before this significant increase (which occurred in '12). Again per the IG report SEVERAL of these 'targeted' organizations didn't receive their 501c status until the latter part of '12. Since the number of applications in '09, '10 and '11 was relatively level using the applications 'shot up' excuse is useless.
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    Re: Most egregious scandal

    That's a neat trick. List three relevant investigations, each of which is a piece of the puzzle that shows what a corrupt and dishonest administration we have, dismiss another one as "history" and therefore aim to end up only having to explain one situation. I'm going to reject the premise and say we need to investigate all of them, and if it is later found that the BS testimony we have been getting turns out to be false then perjury charges need to be handed down and followed to conclusion. The attempts by the administration and their lapdogs to minimize these incidents should not be honored. This administration has a history of lying and being dismissive to anyone who disagrees, and in some cases using intimidation to silence opposition. I'm saying we shouldn't let it happen. Investigations need to continue until the truth is found and then anybody who tried to cover it up by lying needs to go to jail.

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