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Is Marco Rubio a Natural Born Citizen?

Is Marco Rubio a Natural Born Citizen?

  • Yes, the "Law of Nations" is not actually law

    Votes: 7 46.7%

  • No, Rubio and Obama are both invalid

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Maybe or Other (explain yourself)

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • Shiitake Mushrooms

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • Total voters
    15
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Both parents must be the citizens of, and the birth must take place in the concerned country, assuming that the citizenship inherited by this child and the loyalty are never changed ever after.
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This definition is in Vattel's "Law of Nations." Since that was just cited by a birther about Obama, it would apply to Marco Rubio as well, correct?

Rubio was born in 1971. His parents became citizens in 1975. Therefore, Marco Rubio could not be a Natural Born Citizen according to this definition as his parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth.

So is it a BS citation for both, or does it mean that Marco Rubio is not eligible to be President? My opinion, for the record, is that it's an invalid citation and Rubio could become President, as Obama did.

 
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Kick the can down the road option. We never adequately defined the requirement for the modern era. The need for a clear definition going forward was highlighted a few years ago and we've sat on our thumbs in the interim. No surprise and folks won't even get off their asses for a solution until we're dead in the middle of needing it (and it will be too late to do anything about it for the current situation). Then after the election folks will go back to forgetting about it. Just like our national voting system.
 
If he was born in the USA he is an American citizen and may be president.

But, hey, let's hear the Democrat birthers rage :lamo
 
Clearly the only reason this thread exists is because he's a brown skinned man with a foreign name. This kind of thing would never be asked if he was a white guy!

;)

The Law of Nations is not US Law
 
The intent of the "natural born citizen" thing in the Constitution stems from prior efforts to sell the kingship of the colonies to the Prussians after the revolution.
 
rocket88 said:
This definition is in Vattel's "Law of Nations." Since that was just cited by a birther about Obama, it would apply to Marco Rubio as well, correct?

Rubio was born in 1971. His parents became citizens in 1975. Therefore, Marco Rubio could not be a Natural Born Citizen according to this definition as his parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth.

So is it a BS citation for both, or does it mean that Marco Rubio is not eligible to be President? My opinion, for the record, is that it's an invalid citation and Rubio could become President, as Obama did.

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Law of Nations? What's wrong with the Law of the Pack? As long as we're picking and choosing, anyway...
 
Don't know, don't really care either.
 
As currently defined, so long as he was born on U.S. soil, he is an American citizen regardless of the citizenship or legality of his parents. I think that needs to change though, one should only be a natural citizen if at least one of your parents is a citizen in good standing, regardless of where you are physically dropped.
 
Zyphlin said:
Clearly the only reason this thread exists is because he's a brown skinned man with a foreign name. This kind of thing would never be asked if he was a white guy!

;)

The Law of Nations is not US Law
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"brown skinned"? Looks pretty white to me.
 
rocket88 said:
This definition is in Vattel's "Law of Nations." Since that was just cited by a birther about Obama, it would apply to Marco Rubio as well, correct?

Rubio was born in 1971. His parents became citizens in 1975. Therefore, Marco Rubio could not be a Natural Born Citizen according to this definition as his parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth.

So is it a BS citation for both, or does it mean that Marco Rubio is not eligible to be President? My opinion, for the record, is that it's an invalid citation and Rubio could become President, as Obama did.

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Article II Section 1 of the US Constitution reads: No person except a natural born citizen or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of the President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Amendment 14 Section 1 reads: All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

Pretty simple, if Rubio was born in the U.S. regardless of what citizenship his parents held is a U.S. citizen. Throw in the requirement that he be 35 years old and if he is, he is eligible.

Note of interest, the SCOTUS ruled back in 1963 or early 1964 that a person born in a U.S. territory is also a citizen. This ruling was a result of Barry Goldwater being challenged as being ineligible to run for the presidency since he born in the Arizona Territory before it became a state. So a person from Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Island etc since they are U.S. territories could in fact run for the presidency as they are considered via this ruling as being U.S. citizens born in the U.S.
 
Zyphlin said:
Clearly the only reason this thread exists is because he's a brown skinned man with a foreign name. This kind of thing would never be asked if he was a white guy!

;)

The Law of Nations is not US Law
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Possibly this threat is. But the natural born citizen of the United States thing was tried 50 years ago on the Republican Presidential Candidate of 1964. Barry Goldwater was born in the Arizona Territory prior to it becoming a state. There were those who believed this made him ineligible to become president. The SCOTUS ruled differently.
 
Rubio has damaged himself so badly trying to sell the "Gang of Eight" amnesty plan that his birthplace will be an irrelevancy. Cruz has replaced Rubio and deservedly so.
 
I'm just trying to turn the rationale back on the birthers. If Obama's not a Natural Born Citizen, neither is Marco Rubio.

Personally, I'm of the belief that both are.
 
Zyphlin said:
Clearly the only reason this thread exists is because he's a brown skinned man with a foreign name. This kind of thing would never be asked if he was a white guy!
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C'mon. You know that no one gave a **** about this until Obama. Did Romney's foreign born dad who ran have this kind of outrage? That said, it would be nice to get some codified clarification so this stupid topic can finally die.
 
sangha said:
He's a Natural Born Idiot
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This is the first time I've heard someone say he's an idiot. What's your beef against Marco Rubio?
 
rocket88 said:
I'm just trying to turn the rationale back on the birthers. If Obama's not a Natural Born Citizen, neither is Marco Rubio.

Personally, I'm of the belief that both are.
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Rubio isn't natural born. He was born in Cuba.
 
obvious Child said:
C'mon. You know that no one gave a **** about this until Obama. Did Romney's foreign born dad who ran have this kind of outrage? That said, it would be nice to get some codified clarification so this stupid topic can finally die.
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I'm just trying to turn the rationale back on the race carders. If Obama's only questioned because he has a foriegn sounding name or apparently ethnicity, then so is Marco Rubio.

Personally, I'm of the belief that the motivation for both is motivated primarily by partisan politics, not race.
 
joko104 said:
If he was born in the USA he is an American citizen and may be president.

But, hey, let's hear the Democrat birthers rage :lamo
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There is none, sorry!
 
rocket88 said:
This definition is in Vattel's "Law of Nations." Since that was just cited by a birther about Obama, it would apply to Marco Rubio as well, correct?

Rubio was born in 1971. His parents became citizens in 1975. Therefore, Marco Rubio could not be a Natural Born Citizen according to this definition as his parents were not US citizens at the time of his birth.

So is it a BS citation for both, or does it mean that Marco Rubio is not eligible to be President? My opinion, for the record, is that it's an invalid citation and Rubio could become President, as Obama did.

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I hope your not referring to me. Birthers believe Obama was born in Africa. Im a constitutionalist.
 
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