View Poll Results: What does "sociail justice" mean to you?

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  • Equality

    15 23.08%
  • Solidarity

    7 10.77%
  • Wealth redistribution

    23 35.38%
  • Socialism

    20 30.77%
  • Justice

    19 29.23%
  • Unjustice

    14 21.54%
  • Good

    9 13.85%
  • Evil

    10 15.38%
  • Prosperity

    7 10.77%
  • Other

    18 27.69%
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    From a religious point of view, I would say that "Social Justice" has come too much to mean the encouragement of others to break the 10th Commandment so that you may break the first by elevating yourself.

    From a political point of view, much the same - it is the encouragement of resentment an greed in order to justify taking from some to give to others.
    Ah, you wish to bring religion into this argument? Fair enough:

    3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

    5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

    7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

    8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

    9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

    10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    --Matthew 5:3-11
    Not sure how much clearer Jesus could have been about his support for the oppressed and downtrodden.

    Oh, and while we're on the subject of the Beatitudes: I might actually have an inkling of respect for the theocrats if they'd advocate for public display of the Beatitudes instead of the Ten Commandments.
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Not sure how much clearer Jesus could have been about his support for the oppressed and downtrodden.
    However, this is not about wealth redistribution. Social justice is pretty much about that.

    OK, how about that:

    Matthew 25:29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.
    Does this seem like "social justice"?
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    Re: Social justice

    I think the common interpretation of "social justice" tends to be more along the lines of saying there is an injustice with wealth being concentrated at the top, that it's unjust that people are paid less than the CEO, and that wealth needs to be redistributed.

    I believe such actions are unjust. My view of social justice would be not restricting or hindering people from having the opportunity to take risks, work hard, and have a shot at the top and once they are there not penalizing them for it or confiscating their wealth or punishing their success.

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    Re: Social justice

    "Social justice" is just left-wing code for "The thing we want this time. Next week it will be something different"

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    Re: Social justice

    Hopefully social equality is a given. I don't find it feasible or desirable to make wealth perfectly distributed, but the 1% owning so much while others starve is too obscene.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You'll have to be more specific. I think you're just repeating the talking point rethoric of the uniformed.
    Joe, what in our past decade plus of interaction makes you think that I am uninformed?


    Social Justice broadly is used to help members identity groups that are selected for political favoritism at the expense of members of other identity groups. Whether it's pushing for "remittances" or racial preferences in hiring / school attendance, that result is the same - some are trodden on in the hope that by doing so you can lift up others.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Joe, what in our past decade plus of interaction makes you think that I am uninformed?
    The poor sources you often use.


    Social Justice broadly is used to help members identity groups that are selected for political favoritism at the expense of members of other identity groups. Whether it's pushing for "remittances" or racial preferences in hiring / school attendance, that result is the same - some are trodden on in the hope that by doing so you can lift up others.
    I asked for specifics and not more tripe. "Remittances" as in affirmative action efforts, could only be done legally by court order, and then only in response to proven injustices, like monetary rewards given when harm is shown to occur. Then law never gave license to take from anyone to give to another. Many are completely ignorant if the law, believing the misinformation of their pundits over actual accurate reading of the law.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The poor sources you often use.
    No, you have "disagrees with me" confused with "obviously therefore factually incorrect". I realize that for a member of the ivory tower, it may be difficult to distinguish between "conservative" and "obviously therefore factually incorrect", as it's not part of your training to differentiate between peoples' evidence and their conclusions when their conclusions challenge the zeitgeist, but you've been around these places long enough you should know better.

    I asked for specifics and not more tripe. "Remittances" as in affirmative action efforts, could only be done legally by court order, and then only in response to proven injustices, like monetary rewards given when harm is shown to occur. Then law never gave license to take from anyone to give to another. Many are completely ignorant if the law, believing the misinformation of their pundits over actual accurate reading of the law.
    Affirmative action programs are indeed a specific example of "social justice" in the action of trodding on some hoping to lift up others (and, broadly, doing a horrible job at that). Remittances in social justice terminology are used often as payments to all the members of a politically preferred identity group, not individual direct victims of a crime; as an example, demands for remittances to American Indians for loss of territorial sovereignty, or african americans for slavery. Those who push "social justice" are also very much indeed active in seeking laws which take from some solely for the purpose of giving to others - in fact, this is now almost half of what the Federal Government does.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Ah, you wish to bring religion into this argument? Fair enough:

    Not sure how much clearer Jesus could have been about his support for the oppressed and downtrodden.
    Agreed. I would simply argue (if you will note my original piece, to which you responded) that we do not help the oppressed or downtrodden by preaching or spreading the ideals that have become associated with 'social justice'. You do not help someone by giving them either a sense of entitlement or a desire for revenge.

    Oh, and while we're on the subject of the Beatitudes: I might actually have an inkling of respect for the theocrats if they'd advocate for public display of the Beatitudes instead of the Ten Commandments.
    A novel idea.

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    Re: Social justice

    I voted other because I think social justice, at least nowadays, has become adopted as a leftwing call to political activism to further its goals, primarily legislative action that sanctions inequality under the law to combat (real or perceived) naturally/spontaneously occurring inequalities.

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    The phrase 'social justice' has been tainted by those who feel justified in demanding from others what they have not earned for themselves.


    What it USED TO mean, IMO, was voluntarily helping those who are desperately trying to improve their position by the sweat of their brow, and those who have found an inpenetrable wall in their path that they need help climbing over.

    Do you have any supporting sources that this particular term ever meant this? /interested

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