View Poll Results: What does "sociail justice" mean to you?

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  • Equality

    15 23.08%
  • Solidarity

    7 10.77%
  • Wealth redistribution

    23 35.38%
  • Socialism

    20 30.77%
  • Justice

    19 29.23%
  • Unjustice

    14 21.54%
  • Good

    9 13.85%
  • Evil

    10 15.38%
  • Prosperity

    7 10.77%
  • Other

    18 27.69%
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Thread: Social justice

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    A cooperative makes you your own boss, literally, there is a huge difference.
    The difference (in the case of the Danish agro cooperatives, anyway) is largely symbolic: you follow the rules of the corporation, you are subordinate to the elected CEO and his management team (the most capable Peder Tuborgh, in the case of Arla), and your income structure is similar to that of a "normal" corporate employee working on commission. Except you don't have the stock options, with their serious potential of making you rich (if you joined early enough).

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    Re: Social justice

    What does "sociail justice" mean to you?
    It's just a strange euphemism for egalitarianism that is often used by simple minded LWNJs.
    Last edited by Muhammed; 05-28-13 at 10:48 AM.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Again, a democracy is not a type of government .... it's an organizing principle ...
    james madsion federalist 10--"The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Don't these two contradict each other? How could charity be obligatory?
    Kinda like how a person can be "volunteered" in the military against his/her will lol
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    Re: Social justice

    (Almost) Everyone believes in social justice, even if they say they are against it. Take conservative support of Israel, for example. They argue the Jews deserve their own homeland due to the atrocities committed against those people in the past. Conservatives may not call it "social justice" but that is exactly what it is.

    I believe in social justice so far as I believe each individual is entitled to the fruits of his/her labor and that what we take from nature should be paid for. Follow those two simple rules and you will see a free and just society.
    Last edited by Geoist; 05-28-13 at 02:30 PM.
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    No, demanding from others what they have not earned for themselves has nothing to do with capitalism
    And rights have nothing to do with "earning" anything. Rights are inherent. For example, freedom of speech. Did you do anything to earn that right? No. It is inherent. It is part of being a human being.
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    You left out "legally sanctioned theft!"
    If there is theft involved then it is not social justice. It is just more injustice.
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    However, this is not about wealth redistribution. Social justice is pretty much about that.
    Social justice is (or should be) about ending theft. Only unjustly acquired wealth ought to be redistributed (such as that acquired through the privilege of patents and land speculation).
    "Men did not make the earth ... it is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds." -- Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Hopefully social equality is a given. I don't find it feasible or desirable to make wealth perfectly distributed, but the 1% owning so much while others starve is too obscene.
    And it happens because of certain privileges/monopolies/oligopolies the elites enjoy.
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    The difference (in the case of the Danish agro cooperatives, anyway) is largely symbolic: you follow the rules of the corporation, you are subordinate to the elected CEO and his management team (the most capable Peder Tuborgh, in the case of Arla), and your income structure is similar to that of a "normal" corporate employee working on commission. Except you don't have the stock options, with their serious potential of making you rich (if you joined early enough).
    It isn't symbolic at all, the management is beholdant to the employees, not stockholders, that changes the incentive structure significantly.

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