View Poll Results: What does "sociail justice" mean to you?

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  • Equality

    15 23.08%
  • Solidarity

    7 10.77%
  • Wealth redistribution

    23 35.38%
  • Socialism

    20 30.77%
  • Justice

    19 29.23%
  • Unjustice

    14 21.54%
  • Good

    9 13.85%
  • Evil

    10 15.38%
  • Prosperity

    7 10.77%
  • Other

    18 27.69%
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Thread: Social justice

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    That isn't the fruits of their labor, the fruits are what they reaped and harvested.
    But the sower deserves a share too. Or he should work for nothing?
    How about the laboratory that produced the seeds?

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    But the sower deserves a share too. Or he should work for nothing?
    Yeah .... he's also a farm worker ...

    Look at the post, I was looking at the difference between the farm workers and the absent landowner, who may have never even seen the land.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Look at the post, I was looking at the difference between the farm workers and the absent landowner, who may have never even seen the land.
    OK, I see you are against inheritance, is that correct?


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    Re: Social justice

    It means that somebody wants to take money from me to pay for something I find morally repugnant.
    Quod scripsi, scripsi

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, I see you are against inheritance, is that correct?

    No, I'm against absolute property laws.

    I.e. the concept that property laws are absolute and not subject to the democratic social welfare.

    In other words you're right to hold a piece of land and thus exclude everyone else's access to that, depends on the concent of those effected, if you're expecting society to enforce you're exclusive access to a piece of land, it must be justified as good for sociey, it is NOT self evident.

    But please follow the origional argument when I brought up the landowner and the farmer, you're kind of throwing up a red herring here.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    No, I'm against absolute property laws.
    OK, let's assume someone inherited a farm with 100 workers from his father and doesn't want to be a farmer but a dentist. What should he do?

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, let's assume someone inherited a farm from his father and doesn't want to be a farmer but a dentist. What should he do?
    What should he do as an individual? Whatever profits him the most.

    We arn't talking about what individuals should do within an institutional framework, we are discussing the institutional framework itself.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    as our current system beats universal in terms of actually providing care to the sick.
    Not according to the WHO rankings - but perhaps you meant to write "providing care to those Americans who can afford it".
    that is because the WHO rankings do not rank based on who actually provides care to the sick. As an example, one of the WHO's major scores is equity of care. So, for example, if there were a disease that killed 100% of those it afflicted in both America and Britain, and then someone in America invented a cure, but could only afford to give it to 50% of sufferers, the WHO would drop the US' score relative to Britain - despite the fact that Britain's mortality rate was still 100%, and America's was 50% - because at least all those Britons were dying equally.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    What should he do as an individual? Whatever profits him the most.

    We arn't talking about what individuals should do within an institutional framework, we are discussing the institutional framework itself.
    OK, but what do you suggest in this particular example?
    Give the farm away to the 100 workers?
    Give the farm away to the county?
    Give the farm away to the state?
    Sell the farm?

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, but what do you suggest in this particular example?
    Give the farm away to the 100 workers?
    Give the farm away to the county?
    Give the farm away to the state?
    Sell the farm?
    If you tell me the relevance of this question to the point I'm making or to the issue I'll answer it, so far it seams just like a red herring.

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