View Poll Results: What does "sociail justice" mean to you?

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  • Equality

    15 23.08%
  • Solidarity

    7 10.77%
  • Wealth redistribution

    23 35.38%
  • Socialism

    20 30.77%
  • Justice

    19 29.23%
  • Unjustice

    14 21.54%
  • Good

    9 13.85%
  • Evil

    10 15.38%
  • Prosperity

    7 10.77%
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    18 27.69%
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    But that's Supply-Side Jesus talking! Jesus of Nazarene was the one who preached peace and love.
    What do peace and love have to do with "social justice"? What does charity have to do with redistribution of wealth in one form or another, as frequently presented by socialist preachers?
    Charity is charity - it's a product of one's free will. Unlike mandatory taxation.

    I found a good definition of "social justice":

    The fair and proper administration of laws conforming to the natural law that all persons, irrespective of ethnic origin, gender, possessions, race, religion, etc., are to be treated equally and without prejudice.

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    I agree with such a definition. "Social justice" is about justice (rights), not income.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, as the old lawyers saw goes, when the law is against you, argue the facts. when the facts are against you, argue the law. When both are against you, attack the plaintiff.
    Or do as you do, pretend there is a different law than there is.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    What do peace and love have to do with "social justice"? What does charity have to do with redistribution of wealth in one form or another, as frequently presented by socialist preachers?
    Charity is charity - it's a product of one's free will. Unlike mandatory taxation.

    I found a good definition of "social justice":



    I agree with such a definition. "Social justice" is about justice (rights), not income.
    Really?

    "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." --Matthew 6:19-21
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Really?

    "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." --Matthew 6:19-21
    Again, what does that have to do with "social justice"? It's a prescription for happiness, a warning against thieves if you will.
    If God intended us to be the same, He would have made us the same.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Or do as you do, pretend there is a different law than there is.
    yeah. woops?

    ...Title VII prohibits both intentional discrimination ("disparate treatment") as well as unintentional discrimination that results from practices that, while not intended to discriminate, have a disproportionately adverse effect on members of a particular classification ("disparate impact")....


    I like how you've abandoned trying to defend Social Justice, though, and tried to strike out instead for the narrower claim that SJ's proponents have thus far merely failed to put their desires into law.
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yeah. woops?
    Thanks for supporting me. When it's not about the test, the law corrects it.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    I like how you've abandoned trying to defend Social Justice, though, and tried to strike out instead for the narrower claim that SJ's proponents have thus far merely failed to put their desires into law.
    No, I'm trying to point out that you have a skewed view influenced by the poor thinkers you read that misinforms you on what's is really the case. That the few wild voices we can find on any side of any issue do not represent the whole or define what any word or concept means. We have to actually dig into a concept, understand a little history, and Jude intent against reality. Sometimes this does call for modification of a law or ideology, but seldom the hyperbolic nonsense that political ideologues try to pass off.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Social justice

    Maybe this is the law student in me, but I always understood justice to be a social construct. Saying social justice us like saying wet water.

    The money issues to me sound like financial justice.

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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Again, what does that have to do with "social justice"? It's a prescription for happiness, a warning against thieves if you will.
    If God intended us to be the same, He would have made us the same.
    Ah, yes, the Romans 9:21 argument. But that was St. Paul, not Jesus. Consider the following:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice

    Social justice is justice exercised within a society, particularly as it is applied to and among the various social classes of a society.

    A socially just society is one based upon the principles of equality and solidarity; which pedagogy also maintains that a socially just society both understands and values human rights, as well as recognizing the dignity of every human being.[1][2]
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    Re: Social justice

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    OK, let me lay it out for you.

    - "Social justice is justice exercised within a society" - fair enough, justice it should be;
    - "particularly as it is applied to and among the various social classes of a society." - that simply means "no privileges for any class in society";
    - "A socially just society is one based upon the principles of equality" - Please, note: "the principles of equality".

    Why do leftist so often imply "wealth equality" instead of "rights equality"?

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