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Is obama an illegitimate president?

Is obama an illegitimate president

  • yes he was elected based on a lie

    Votes: 9 14.3%
  • no he was fairly elected

    Votes: 54 85.7%

  • Total voters
    63
Nothing can change the fact that his father was a British citizen making him not an NBC and not fit to even run for president.

Barring a supreme court decision (or a lower court decision which is not overturned) stating otherwise, one does not need to have two parents who are US citizens to be a natural born citizen. By the most common definition of 'natural born citizen', simply being born in the US, you don't even have to have one parent who is a US citizen to be a natural born citizen yourself.
 
Still impossible.

Yeah, it's impossible that poor blacks in the projects would vote for Romney.

You aren't even bothering to look at the areas where Obama got 100% of the vote. Hint: they aren't mixed middle class neighborhoods. They are dirt poor, almost entirely (some actually are 100%) black areas.

Now, if they WERE mixed middle class neighborhoods, that would be a big sign of fraud.
 
If anything we should be praising the wisdom and courage of Barack, to be the rock, staying strong for America amidst the challenges of well financed billionaire foes and corporations that are pitted against him. And now the witchhunt hearings. The courage and strength that this man has to still be standing tall for America is mind blowing and will no doubt be his legacy as he stands guard and fights the good fight for us all day in and day out. He didn't give up when the GOP tried to derail the healthcare town hall meetings, he didn't stay in his ivory tower when he needed to apologize to the common man over a brewsky, he didn't run from the fight, and for that I commend him and know that we are a better nation, a better people, a better community with Barack leading the charge and I don't think history will disagree with me.
 
So when George Romney ran, that was illegitimate as well? George was born in Mexico. In fact, according to this definition, Mitt also cannot claim to be a Natural Born Citizen, nor can Marco Rubio whose parents were not citizens at the time of his birth.

According to the law of the United States, Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. According to the law of the United States, he can be President. Just because some guy named Vattel defined it differently in his book, which wasn't even the law of anything, he's valid.

Willard Mitt Romney was born on March 12, 1947, at Harper University Hospital in Detroit, Michigan,
His father was an American citizen when he was born
On Rubio you are correct
He is not an NBC according to US law. Its based on Vattel. Likewise the 14th does not make anyone born here a citizen if you know how to read English.
 
That is the fault of the people who lack respect, not Obama. Among the right, respecting Obama is political suicide and has been from before he was sworn into office, not based on his person or his actions, but because of what the election of a liberal Democrat represents to the dying GOP at this period of American history. The same would apply to any human being who is not a neo-con eye balls deep in the GOP establsihment.

The antipathy toward Obama arises from historical trends (such as the Latino vote) which the GOP is mostly helpless to adapt to due to the nature of the monied special interests that rule their ethos and actions as a political party. Like any organism selected for evolutionary destruction, it flails around no matter how hopeless its odds of survival are.


What to respect. The guy belongs in jail
 
Barring a supreme court decision (or a lower court decision which is not overturned) stating otherwise, one does not need to have two parents who are US citizens to be a natural born citizen. By the most common definition of 'natural born citizen', simply being born in the US, you don't even have to have one parent who is a US citizen to be a natural born citizen yourself.


That is what we call progressivism. The purpose of the NBC clause is as I have shown you to have a president who owes allegiance only to the US. That is not Obama. The founders understood natural law. It seems many of you have no clue. There was no doubt back then what a natural born citizen was. There was no need to define it.
 
Yeah, it's impossible that poor blacks in the projects would vote for Romney.

You aren't even bothering to look at the areas where Obama got 100% of the vote. Hint: they aren't mixed middle class neighborhoods. They are dirt poor, almost entirely (some actually are 100%) black areas.

Now, if they WERE mixed middle class neighborhoods, that would be a big sign of fraud.


So only blacks live there? And even if they did chances of everyone of them voting for Obama is slim to say the least.
 
If anything we should be praising the wisdom and courage of Barack, to be the rock, staying strong for America amidst the challenges of well financed billionaire foes and corporations that are pitted against him. And now the witchhunt hearings. The courage and strength that this man has to still be standing tall for America is mind blowing and will no doubt be his legacy as he stands guard and fights the good fight for us all day in and day out. He didn't give up when the GOP tried to derail the healthcare town hall meetings, he didn't stay in his ivory tower when he needed to apologize to the common man over a brewsky, he didn't run from the fight, and for that I commend him and know that we are a better nation, a better people, a better community with Barack leading the charge and I don't think history will disagree with me.

:lamo

He will be lucky to finish his term.
 
That is what we call progressivism. The purpose of the NBC clause is as I have shown you to have a president who owes allegiance only to the US. That is not Obama. The founders understood natural law. It seems many of you have no clue. There was no doubt back then what a natural born citizen was. There was no need to define it.

They didn't need to define it because it meant them - rich white landowners (and except for the Adamses, people-owners as well).

In all technicality, the first 7 Presidents were not born citizens of the United States because there was no United States when they were born. Born in the United States was a good enough definition until Obama.
 
His father was an American citizen when he was born
On Rubio you are correct
He is not an NBC according to US law. Its based on Vattel. Likewise the 14th does not make anyone born here a citizen if you know how to read English.

According to your definition, which includes birth on the soil of the country, George Romney was not a Natural Born Citizen. Neither is John McCain according to Vattel.
 
Now that it is coming out that the IRS was tying up tea party type groups during the election I double down on the OP. OBAMA IS AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT!

That still doesn't make him illegtimate. You need to bone up on the dictionary. The definition of "illegitimate" is not "I don't like him."
 
Does it really matter? He's had so many impeachable offenses and he proved his citizenship with an alleged phony birth certificate. Obviously, Americans are afraid of him.
 
That still doesn't make him illegtimate. You need to bone up on the dictionary. The definition of "illegitimate" is not "I don't like him."

That's becoming the standard retort from libs that have no real argument to make their case. "You don't understand the word" :lol:
 
I voted no, because I think he is legitimate.
The question if he is doing a good job, and following the Constitution,
is what we should be asking.
 
Now that it is coming out that the IRS was tying up tea party type groups during the election I double down on the OP. OBAMA IS AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT!

You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.
 
That is what we call progressivism.

No it isn't.

he purpose of the NBC clause is as I have shown you to have a president who owes allegiance only to the US. That is not Obama.

Then which country precisely does Obama owe allegiance to if not the US?

The founders understood natural law. It seems many of you have no clue. There was no doubt back then what a natural born citizen was. There was no need to define it.

This is clearly untrue, since there were further laws passed as early as 1790 to better define what exactly a natural born citizen was.
 
Now that it is coming out that the IRS was tying up tea party type groups during the election I double down on the OP. OBAMA IS AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT!

Let's change the above quote just a wee bit

Now that it is well known that the IRS was tying up liberal groups, including churches, for several years between 2002 and 2007, I double down on the statement: GEORGE WALKER BUSH WAS AN ILLEGIMATE PRESIDENT!!

Strange isn't it, the way our Republican brethren are so outraged over actions carried out during a time when a Republican-appointed official was in charge of the IRS. The IRS commissioner during the probe was Donald Shulman, a holdover from the Bush administration. Somehow though, they never found it worthy of comment, much less investigation when it was liberal groups targeted by the IRS during the Bush years.
“I wish there was more GOP interest when I raised the same issue during the Bush administration, where they audited a progressive church in my district in what look liked a very selective way,” California Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff said on MSNBC Monday. “I found only one Republican, [North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones], that would join me in calling for an investigation during the Bush administration. I’m glad now that the GOP has found interest in this issue and it ought to be a bipartisan concern.”
Hmmmm, do you think Rep. Schiff might be using sarcasm to make a point?
 
There are about a dozen words starting with "i" that I could use to accurately describe Obama.

Illegitimate is not one of them.

imbecile, idiotic, incompetent, insufferable, insolent, insipid, insidious, insufficient, intolerable, incubus, irregular, indolent
 
imbecile, idiotic, incompetent, insufferable, insolent, insipid, insidious, insufficient, intolerable, incubus, irregular, indolent

Well, I can't speak to his regularity, but most others are good.
 
Well, I can't speak to his regularity, but most others are good.
ir·reg·u·lar
adjective \i-ˈre-gyə-lər, ˌi(r)-\
Definition of IRREGULAR
1
a : not being or acting in accord with laws, rules, or established custom <irregular conduct>

it fits....:2razz:
 
So when George Romney ran, that was illegitimate as well? George was born in Mexico. In fact, according to this definition, Mitt also cannot claim to be a Natural Born Citizen, nor can Marco Rubio whose parents were not citizens at the time of his birth.

According to the law of the United States, Obama is a Natural Born Citizen. According to the law of the United States, he can be President. Just because some guy named Vattel defined it differently in his book, which wasn't even the law of anything, he's valid.


One of the more bizarre potential Republican candidates for 2016 is some clown from Texas, by the name of Ted Cruz, who as one article labeled him "His Own Worst Birther". The New Republic posted an article pointing out Senator Cruz's hypocrisy.
Ted Cruz in 2016: He's His Own Worst Birther | New Republic
... a question conspiratorial liberals have been waiting to ask of a Republican since at least 2008: Is Ted Cruz, who was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father, even legally eligible to hold the highest office?

The consensus among legal experts appears to be, emphatically, “yes.” Here’s Temple University Law professor Peter Spiro, an expert on nationality law, on Todd’s MSNBC show Monday morning:

I think it’s pretty clear that natural born is defined in such a way as to include everybody that has citizenship, and who got it other than through naturalization. So the fact that Ted Cruz had citizenship at birth, and he clearly did under the statute that applied at the time, it’s pretty clear that he qualifies as natural born.
But it turns out that there’s at least one legal heavyweight who would question Spiro’s argument—a guy who goes by the name of … Ted Cruz.
 
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I guess I'm of the age now where you talk about irregularity, and you think of something else...

:lamo

it could be used as a double entendre

Other things may ail him... I notice he always takes a slightly wider stance when Michelle's in the room...
 
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