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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    [QUOTE=Moot;1061801222]Baloney. The facts came out before the election and instead of impeachment, Obama was re-elected. QUOTE)



    Alot of facts came out after the election, little things like rescue missions were told to stand down and the CIA report was sent back 12 times to edit things out the white house didn't want in there that made it look bad and we still don't know where obama was or what he was doing during that crucial 7 hours where four Americans were killed. If the story that is out now was out before election day obama may well be playing golf instead of playing president.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Without good intel, there is also the potential for something akin to sniper baiting. Draw in more targets and kill them.

    AFAIK, we are not fond of sending anyone, anywhere, blind.
    Very true. It is all judgment calls by those in charge. Civilians find this hard to take something and view certain actions or in this case non-action by the military being pretty cold hearted. They are use to seeing things on TV and in the movies, real life doesn't work that way.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do not mind hearing everyone’s point of view and at times I have been known to change my mind. There is not D or R next to my name, I once belonged to the Reform Party and I still claim that party as mine.

    You are correct, a spontaneous attack does not preclude a terrorist attack. We would call this targets of opportunity and they are not really spontaneous in a sense, it is just taking advantage of a situation that presents it self in according to an over all plan. But with mortars being used, although a possibility, not very likely. The fact the CIA reported who was involved and knew it was terrorist which seems to have been changed by the State Department or at least deleted and a false report given to the American people, if not false as in an down right lie, at least to deceive the American people into thinking terrorist had nothing to do with it.

    The up coming election is irrelevant to me, I didn’t care who won, I wanted neither. I think PBBauer probable had it right in one of his posts in defending Obama. He said the terrorist portions were deleted to avoid congressional criticism over lax security by State. Now this makes sense as State is/was notorious for lax security at least back in my day.

    Sometimes governments/administrations lie on purpose or obfuscate or play very loose with the truth in trying to protect some things that deal with national security. Protecting an intelligence asset, ongoing operations, things of this nature. This is possible here, but I highly doubt it. I seen some of these things in action.

    The thing with me I would like to find out the reason why. I see no benefit to this administrations in trying to portray this event was the result of a video instead of coming right out with the truth when the truth was known. I am not trying to crucify anyone, I am just trying to make sense of something that so far in my mind makes no sense. But governments/administrations do things all the time that makes no sense out of fear of political repercussions or some bad press for a day or two.

    After your long career in the military can you come up with any reasonable scenario as to why the SEAL was painting a mortar position for an air strike that wasn't there? Somehow that guy was under the impression that the calvery was coming.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Obama might very well be a incompetent and duplicitous commander and chief, but I don't see any way you could claim that he was an "illegitimate" president. If the American people people were dumb enough to vote the man into office twice in spite of his administration's complete and total failure to produce any kind of positive economic, social, political, or military outcome on either a domestic or international basis, that is hardly his fault.

    As the old saying goes, "fool me once, shame on you." "Fool me twice..."
    Other than the fact that he is not an NBC and that the results of the election are very much questionable.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Obama won
    get over it


    this election was the GOP's for the taking. and the republicans snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by running a milk toast ticket

    and this is just the start
    in 2016 a woman will win the presidential election
    and Elizabeth Warren will kick some substantial republican ass over two terms

    you may want to emigrate somewhere whiter and avoid having to endure such diversity
    Maybe he won maybe he did not.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    As much as his opposition wanted him to lose, nearly all of the Benghazi confusion took place in the first days after the tragic event. By the time Election Day rolled around nearly a full month had past and by then it was clarified that the initial false assumption that the attack was motivated by an Egyptian produced you tube video critical of Islam was debunked. By November the administration and the American people were fully aware al Qaeda carried out the terrorist act at Benghazi yet voted to reelect Obama anyway. If it was thought that an Egyptian making YouTube videos inspired the killing of Americans in Libya; the White House, the CIA and the state department all knew it was untrue but conspired with each other to deceive the American public until after Election Day, you might have a point but the truth came out way before Election Day.

    Do I think the Obama administration feels America needs to walk on eggshells not to offend Muslims? Yes. Do I think the president will lie through his teeth in order to make it seem like an Egyptian thought to be an American offending Muslims motivated an attack that killed Americans when he knew it was untrue just to win an election? No.

    My honest opinion: an America dividing partisan witch hunt that I, a Republican will be forced to consider when voting in 2014 and 2016. I always thought tragedies such as these is what made republicans shine as we put aside our political team divisions and came together as a united American people. Oh well.

    You really expect anyone to believe you after
    the White House, the CIA and the state department all knew it was untrue but conspired with each other to deceive the American public until after Election Day, you might have a point but the truth came out way before Election Day.
    The truth is just starting to come out now. And its well after election day in case you have not noticed.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Whether or not he lied is irrelevant to whether or not he is a 'legitimate' president. He was elected fairly and legally. After all, it's not like he's the only president to lie about something to get elected now is he. By my estimate there have been 43 of those.
    No he wasnt on either count

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    .... So... administration officials "lying" about the reasons behind Benghazi are worse than a US president committing a crime? Are you even trying to be partisan anymore?

    Its not so much the lying its why they are lying and the fact that they left all those people to die without making any effort to save them.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Since we don't know all the information behind the Benghazi situation, we do not yet know whether or not Obama and/or Clinton were indeed negligent in failing to perform their constitutional duties. If they did not perform their duties in accordance with their oaths of office then they were criminally negligent as it lead to the death of American Citizens, thus making if far worse than Watergate, which did not lead to the death of anyone, at least not that I am aware of.
    They sent no help at all. In fact they told them to stand down. They did not perform their duties. The call came at 2am and they both rolled over and went back to sleep.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    No he wasnt on either count
    Really? You have proof that Obama was elected illegally? Why haven't you gone to the media about it? Or presented it to your congressional representatives so he can be impeached?
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