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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    I get that, but I think the why is obvious, it was group think, message by committee. No one really owned the messaging and the messaging was essentially negotiated. I seriously doubt that the people who put this together had the slightest feeling they were misleading, rather I suspect they probably thought they limiting the inclusion of information that they did not like and did want to put out until they had to with some cover in protecting the investigation. Clearly a big part of the problem was a conflation of Benghazi and Cairo.

    I was more interested in what could have been done to bring reinforcements in, and I would still like more information than we have, but again, my only says that State was begging and the military could not commit troops at the time, or in time, with the information that could be ascertained at the time. What would you think is more likely, state asked and the military could not approve, or the military was hung ho and State held them back?
    Group think, now that is something I never thought about that. Staffed around to where no staff or agency story of what they thought happened is actually told, a conglomeration of thoughts and some facts that probably no one was happy with. I know DOD and State usually has an uneasy working relationship, we work better with the CIA than State or at least use to, State probably wanted to hold the CIA activity down to a minimum in order to avoid any embarrassment in case any of the activity came out. Group think, interesting and I like that. It could very well account for all the different deletions and changes. We'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out.

    The rescue missions are pretty much a judgement call. Sending 4 SF troops armed with either 9 mm or .45's into a situation that is basically unknown, i.e. against how many men, what weapons they have etc. probably was a sound decision. I can understand the troops wanting to go regardless, in my younger days, I would too and be pretty peeved that I wasn't allowed to. As to the aircraft, I don't know, there has been so many withdrawals from Europe and more going on now, I am not familiar with what is there anymore. At one time we did have reaction forces stationed at various places around the world that could be airborne and en-route in 2 hours. But even during the cold war, these forces weren't put on the ready unless there was something we suspected might happen.

    So I suppose what piques our curiosity is me the report denying terrorist and you the response. I can understand one and you the other, but neither can understand both, at least as far as curiosity is concerned and neither of us is looking for heads to roll. Do I have this right?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    In other words, no, you do not have any proof, only conspiracy theories.
    Nothing can change the fact that his father was a British citizen making him not an NBC and not fit to even run for president.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Nixon used the tools of the FBI and CIA to assist in the cover up. It was an abuse of power, and he was rightly given what for because of it. No President should be able to do that with a government agency, which is why I find the IRS allegations far more disturbing than Benghazi.

    Obama lied to the press. You may not like it, but that's not a crime. If you find evidence that an actual crime was committed in Benghazi, let's see it. So far I've seen failed leadership, botched response and lying to reporters. None of which is an actual crime. Abuse of power, as in Watergate, is a crime.
    IMO leaving Americans twisting in the wind in a foreign embassy, not sending help when they are under attack is a crime.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Nope, he is a legitimate president. He's just not very good at it.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    IMO leaving Americans twisting in the wind in a foreign embassy, not sending help when they are under attack is a crime.
    Do you have law behind you, or just your opinion? You can't impeach and remove a President based on opinion.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Nixon used the tools of the FBI and CIA to assist in the cover up. It was an abuse of power, and he was rightly given what for because of it. No President should be able to do that with a government agency, which is why I find the IRS allegations far more disturbing than Benghazi.

    Obama lied to the press. You may not like it, but that's not a crime. If you find evidence that an actual crime was committed in Benghazi, let's see it. So far I've seen failed leadership, botched response and lying to reporters. None of which is an actual crime. Abuse of power, as in Watergate, is a crime.
    Looks like Obama has his own IRS problems. And not even trying to help when the **** hit the fan is a crime far worse than Watergate.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Look at those precincts before making such comments. Poor, ghetto black slums NOT voting for Romney? SHOCKING!!!!


    Still impossible.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Do you have law behind you, or just your opinion? You can't impeach and remove a President based on opinion.
    Yes 4 dead Americans. Orders to stand down. Not even one aircraft scrambled. Where exactly was Obama while all this was going on?

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Do you have law behind you, or just your opinion? You can't impeach and remove a President based on opinion.
    My previous post started out with "IMO" so your first question is answered. IMO if obama went to bed while our ambassador was begging for help it should be a crime even if technically it is not. I have never advocated for impeachment I just think he has forfeited any right to be taken seriously and as the OP states is an illegitimate president. If on the other hand this IRS thing gets traced back to him all bets are off.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    Yes 4 dead Americans. Orders to stand down. Not even one aircraft scrambled. Where exactly was Obama while all this was going on?
    Which laws were broken?


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