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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Really? You have proof that Obama was elected illegally? Why haven't you gone to the media about it? Or presented it to your congressional representatives so he can be impeached?

    I find it impossible that he won 59 precincts in one city and that not a single resident in any of those voted for Romney

    There is tons of evidence

    Did Obama steal the 2012 election?Did Obama steal the 2012 election?

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    I find it impossible that he won 59 precincts in one city and that not a single resident in any of those voted for Romney

    There is tons of evidence

    Did Obama steal the 2012 election?Did Obama steal the 2012 election?
    In other words, no, you do not have any proof, only conspiracy theories.
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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Another partisan and dumb poll.

    No elections are "fair." Fairness is irrelevant.

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    After your long career in the military can you come up with any reasonable scenario as to why the SEAL was painting a mortar position for an air strike that wasn't there? Somehow that guy was under the impression that the calvery was coming.
    Without being there or seeing the after action reports, it is hard to tell. But I would say you are probably right. Thinking about it, I would also probably dismiss protecting an intel asset. In this case it was the CIA placing the names of the organization responsible in the report and coming right out and saying it was a pre planned attack. State was the one trying to get all this deleted. If it was protection of an Intel asset, I would presume it would be the other way around. The CIA trying to get the deletions from the State Report. Although the State Department has or did have their own intel folks or department.
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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Nixon tried to cover up a botched burglary, obama tried to cover up a botched reaction to a terrorist attack where 4 people died. You tell me which is worse.
    Nixon used the tools of the FBI and CIA to assist in the cover up. It was an abuse of power, and he was rightly given what for because of it. No President should be able to do that with a government agency, which is why I find the IRS allegations far more disturbing than Benghazi.

    Obama lied to the press. You may not like it, but that's not a crime. If you find evidence that an actual crime was committed in Benghazi, let's see it. So far I've seen failed leadership, botched response and lying to reporters. None of which is an actual crime. Abuse of power, as in Watergate, is a crime.


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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    In other words, no, you do not have any proof, only conspiracy theories.
    He also spouted birtherism earlier.

    Basically he's one of those who, for whatever reason, accepts anything bad said about Obama at face value. Even when it contradicts other bad stuff that he accepts as true.


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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    Maybe he won maybe he did not.
    i only see him indicated as our current president
    who did you believe had won instead
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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Obama is a bad president and a POS of a man, unlike Jimmy Carter who was a bad president but a decent human being

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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    I find it impossible that he won 59 precincts in one city and that not a single resident in any of those voted for Romney

    There is tons of evidence
    Look at those precincts before making such comments. Poor, ghetto black slums NOT voting for Romney? SHOCKING!!!!
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    Re: Is obama an illegitimate president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I do not mind hearing everyone’s point of view and at times I have been known to change my mind. There is not D or R next to my name, I once belonged to the Reform Party and I still claim that party as mine.

    You are correct, a spontaneous attack does not preclude a terrorist attack. We would call this targets of opportunity and they are not really spontaneous in a sense, it is just taking advantage of a situation that presents it self in according to an over all plan. But with mortars being used, although a possibility, not very likely. The fact the CIA reported who was involved and knew it was terrorist which seems to have been changed by the State Department or at least deleted and a false report given to the American people, if not false as in an down right lie, at least to deceive the American people into thinking terrorist had nothing to do with it.

    The up coming election is irrelevant to me, I didn’t care who won, I wanted neither. I think PBBauer probable had it right in one of his posts in defending Obama. He said the terrorist portions were deleted to avoid congressional criticism over lax security by State. Now this makes sense as State is/was notorious for lax security at least back in my day.

    Sometimes governments/administrations lie on purpose or obfuscate or play very loose with the truth in trying to protect some things that deal with national security. Protecting an intelligence asset, ongoing operations, things of this nature. This is possible here, but I highly doubt it. I seen some of these things in action.

    The thing with me I would like to find out the reason why. I see no benefit to this administrations in trying to portray this event was the result of a video instead of coming right out with the truth when the truth was known. I am not trying to crucify anyone, I am just trying to make sense of something that so far in my mind makes no sense. But governments/administrations do things all the time that makes no sense out of fear of political repercussions or some bad press for a day or two.
    I get that, but I think the why is obvious, it was group think, message by committee. No one really owned the messaging and the messaging was essentially negotiated. I seriously doubt that the people who put this together had the slightest feeling they were misleading, rather I suspect they probably thought they limiting the inclusion of information that they did not like and did want to put out until they had to with some cover in protecting the investigation. Clearly a big part of the problem was a conflation of Benghazi and Cairo.

    I was more interested in what could have been done to bring reinforcements in, and I would still like more information than we have, but again, my only says that State was begging and the military could not commit troops at the time, or in time, with the information that could be ascertained at the time. What would you think is more likely, state asked and the military could not approve, or the military was hung ho and State held them back?
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