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Nationalizing the Education System

Nationalize Schools?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 18.9%
  • No

    Votes: 53 71.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 7 9.5%

  • Total voters
    74
Time for homework. Four and a half weeks to go in Northeast. Wife will be here in a few weeks when our school back home let's out in Illinois.
Please get informed of the specifics of the changes in your state. They are happening before your eyes. Common-core, Next Gen, NCLB revisions, FLBA, standardized testing changes, the list is endless
 
You started the hating and complaining on public schools
but you can'tor take the rebound.
Though retired and still teaching, you haven't a clue in regards
to government protected jobs when the laws have changed dramatically.
Even righties on here don't play the give me a link game.
My high school kids would have you for lunch.

So you're refusing a third time to give reasons why vouchers are a bad idea? Interesting. Why are you here on the site, exactly?
 
It all depends on what you mean and since the OP was vague, I couldn't really answer. While I think that education ought to be funded locally, I think the curriculum ought to be set nationally so that every single school everywhere is learning the same things at the same time. This has the effect of bypassing local school board stupidity, getting rid of the power over textbook production for large states like California and Texas and making it possible to walk out of one classroom in one state and into another classroom in another state and not be a year ahead or a year behind. We should have national educational standards designed by experts in each given field and nobody ought to be able to opt out.
I would have no problem with that until the last couple of years when courses differ by student interest. Of course, I'd rather dump the last two years completely to be replaced by junior college or trade school - but that's for another thread.
 
The Postal Service has been sabotaged by the Republicans for 7 years. Even honest Repubs have admitted this.

What I don't like about the postal service are ridiculously long lines and a general lack in the quality of appreciation expressed toward customers. Oddly I think there have been improvements in recent years, very likely due to competition from FedEx and ups. Not just the post office by I see this lack of appreciation for customers in nearly every government run entity where the customer has no choice but to be at their mercy; federal, state and local.
 
I have no problem with national control/funding of education if it can somehow be separated from political minupulation. Maybe I wouldn't go as far as a Spartan type Agoge, but an educations system based upon the Japanese model with Marine DIs in control and a return to corporal punishment would definitely be a big benefit to the country.
 
I just signed my oldest up for Kindergarten for next year.

The reason I would like to see at the very least some national standards that keep children receiving basically the same type of education no matter where they go is because I am probably going to have to move next spring to a new state. Just like many military parents, who really don't have a choice in where they are sent, my husband and I will have to hope that the new school is at about the same point as the old one (which may be difficult since the school here is on a year round schedule and they teach Kinders and 1st graders Chinese (principal said it is DOD sponsored).


And considering what happened with my siblings and school, there are some major problems. My brother had to get a GED because he failed one grade and the state they moved to would not allow those over 19 to enroll in school. He couldn't graduate because his birthday was in December and my mother moved in January to a new school district.
 
What I don't like about the postal service are ridiculously long lines and a general lack in the quality of appreciation expressed toward customers. Oddly I think there have been improvements in recent years, very likely due to competition from FedEx and ups. Not just the post office by I see this lack of appreciation for customers in nearly every government run entity where the customer has no choice but to be at their mercy; federal, state and local.
Well stated. I will probably never learn to play well with others. Arguing with teenagers and the rest while trying to prepare them for life after high school and being type A will cause that.

I normally don't look for postals or others dealing with the public doing something wrong because of the behavior of the public. We're all sick of the complaints without fresh, positive solutions.

I'll do my usual and blame the House since they have created the untenable situation with postal pensions. Did you find it a little phony that sequestered money magically appeared for TSA and Post Offices slated to close. I see the war on the common man beginning with the election of a very uncommon man to be POTUS in 1981.
 
I just signed my oldest up for Kindergarten for next year.

The reason I would like to see at the very least some national standards that keep children receiving basically the same type of education no matter where they go is because I am probably going to have to move next spring to a new state. Just like many military parents, who really don't have a choice in where they are sent, my husband and I will have to hope that the new school is at about the same point as the old one (which may be difficult since the school here is on a year round schedule and they teach Kinders and 1st graders Chinese (principal said it is DOD sponsored).


And considering what happened with my siblings and school, there are some major problems. My brother had to get a GED because he failed one grade and the state they moved to would not allow those over 19 to enroll in school. He couldn't graduate because his birthday was in December and my mother moved in January to a new school district.
Nicely done. You are the future. You are correct IMO to speak of what I will refer to as a blend. NCLB continues to change every year in every state. Mandarin has become a wide-open field throughout the country, especially in the Chicago collar counties.
 
I just signed my oldest up for Kindergarten for next year.

The reason I would like to see at the very least some national standards that keep children receiving basically the same type of education no matter where they go is because I am probably going to have to move next spring to a new state. Just like many military parents, who really don't have a choice in where they are sent, my husband and I will have to hope that the new school is at about the same point as the old one (which may be difficult since the school here is on a year round schedule and they teach Kinders and 1st graders Chinese (principal said it is DOD sponsored).


And considering what happened with my siblings and school, there are some major problems. My brother had to get a GED because he failed one grade and the state they moved to would not allow those over 19 to enroll in school. He couldn't graduate because his birthday was in December and my mother moved in January to a new school district.


I'm okay with students being required to exceed standards in competency every few years based on their grade level. I just don't want a federal public school monopoly where everybody except the wealthy are forced to enroll their kids. Federal school options I'm also fine with as long as its a choice, not the only option thus making it a requirement.

I think the federal government already operates public schools at US military bases overseas. Maybe somebody can offer more enlightenment. Plus with new technology, my state operates an online accredited public school for all grade levels as an option for parents who'd rather not send their kids to a traditional public school. Giving parents options is I think what's needed.
 
So you're refusing a third time to give reasons why vouchers are a bad idea? Interesting. Why are you here on the site, exactly?

Jurist--Paper Chase--Louisiana Supreme Court votes down vouchers 6-1
I have read very little of it. I'm too busy teaching and all.

I'm here as a 4th year retired but still teaching teacher.

I woke up in late morning on my birthday and turned on the TV. It was Sandy Hook. I went back to SchoolSpring and K12Jobspot and found a 2nd semester.

4 years is a lot of time to make up. I missed everything, including the names I get called and the texting. Education is one of the few topics I believe should remain a state's right or lower.

With complicated funding and different funding mechanisms in each state and schools that are broke, vouchers would hurt large, poor schools that remain behind. In my adopted state, students have school choice but their money doesn't follow them. We are being penalized for being better.

And now, it's back to homework.
 
anonymous polls suck
 
Jurist--Paper Chase--Louisiana Supreme Court votes down vouchers 6-1
I have read very little of it. I'm too busy teaching and all.

I'm here as a 4th year retired but still teaching teacher.

I woke up in late morning on my birthday and turned on the TV. It was Sandy Hook. I went back to SchoolSpring and K12Jobspot and found a 2nd semester.

4 years is a lot of time to make up. I missed everything, including the names I get called and the texting. Education is one of the few topics I believe should remain a state's right or lower.

With complicated funding and different funding mechanisms in each state and schools that are broke, vouchers would hurt large, poor schools that remain behind. In my adopted state, students have school choice but their money doesn't follow them. We are being penalized for being better.

And now, it's back to homework.

Doesn't sound very interesting, think I will stick with learning programming necessary to adapt a self learning conversational AI into robotic controls utilizing a dispersed WAN like the internet for utilization in dispersed manufacturing of my power systems and weapon systems designs.

But first I need to put the blades/deck back on the lawnmower and mow the yard.
 
Teachers did not vote themselves awesome benefits. No one did.

On the contrary, the teachers unions have proven incredibly politically powerful at the state and local levels.

Get educated and then prove how awesome they are. Specific is terrific.

:shrug: you want me to go pull out all the stats' we've rehashed a thousand times again? I can tell you what they say - Teacher Pay is below average for a Masters Degree in our economy, which is to be expected because the Education Masters is that mostly in name only. Teachers compensation however, once you begin to include benefits and especially retirement benefits, is disproportionate.

We therefore have created a training pipeline and compensation model perfectly designed to attract the middle to low performing, risk averse performers. We need to reduce non-income compensation in order to increase pay, and then we need to make both the pipeline and the pay competitive. Then we will start attracting higher performers.

On the other hand, admins do have awesome benefits but if you knew a very small fraction of the heavy burdens they carry with our students et al. I've seen them listen to a crying teacher most of the night who just lost a child. Yet they're back the next day bound by the laws of confidentiality.

While I'm glad we have admins that do that (we have many as well who do not), that doesn't really create a value-added that demands that all our education employees receive certain compensation packages. I've done my share of the stay-up-all-night-mourning, and have no desire to do it ever again, but I'm not sure that particular part of my job merits me a raise when we're trying to figure out how to save the nations' fisc.

Going to college and racking up debt

Is unfortunate and often stupid. By and large the 35 and under crowd was sold a bag of goods on college - which is why most of them fail to finish in 4 years (and those who do find themselves in careers way outside of their area of study), but do pick up debt.
 
cpwill--with all due respect, this is to you but I did not copy your post--
In my current adopted state, our school has an FLBA program that industry
Certifies our kids to the top level of Microsoft and also allows for internships.

My wife at 62 says she won't retire and is beloved at school.
That means I don't have to buy pension insurance.
If I'm fortunate, I'll be a 2nd semester teacher forever.

It is a shame to me that the conversation so quickly breaks down
to conservatives saying this or that negative whether it is
about teachers, gun control, social programs and the rest.

And vice-versa.

And so long Sergio Garcia.
 
I'm okay with students being required to exceed standards in competency every few years based on their grade level. I just don't want a federal public school monopoly where everybody except the wealthy are forced to enroll their kids. Federal school options I'm also fine with as long as its a choice, not the only option thus making it a requirement.

I think the federal government already operates public schools at US military bases overseas. Maybe somebody can offer more enlightenment. Plus with new technology, my state operates an online accredited public school for all grade levels as an option for parents who'd rather not send their kids to a traditional public school. Giving parents options is I think what's needed.

I live in California, not overseas. Most service members have their children enrolled in public schools in the US. But they still have to move from one state to another, in the case of Navy, from one coast to another, and face completely different standards. And then there is also when the service members get out and have to move their families and do it again.

I'm all for various options for parents, but that is part of the problem. Not all areas offer those options. It is either expensive private school (which is too expensive for a vast majority of families, especially those in the areas that are not so great) or brick and mortar public school or homeschooling (which is not a realistic option for many families because both parents work).
 
I would have no problem with that until the last couple of years when courses differ by student interest. Of course, I'd rather dump the last two years completely to be replaced by junior college or trade school - but that's for another thread.

Electives fall into a different category, but you ought to have mandatory courses taught at the same level across the board. We also ought to bring back shop classes to start training kids in high school work skills.
 
I'm okay with students being required to exceed standards in competency every few years based on their grade level. I just don't want a federal public school monopoly where everybody except the wealthy are forced to enroll their kids. Federal school options I'm also fine with as long as its a choice, not the only option thus making it a requirement.

I want every single school, without exception, to be required a minimum standard curriculum. That goes for public, private and home schools. There are no exceptions for any reason. People can teach more than the minimum standards, but not less and every single kid is going to be tested, without exception, to see that they are learning this curriculum. It's the only way to guarantee everyone is getting an equal education.
 
I want every single school, without exception, to be required a minimum standard curriculum. That goes for public, private and home schools. There are no exceptions for any reason. People can teach more than the minimum standards, but not less and every single kid is going to be tested, without exception, to see that they are learning this curriculum. It's the only way to guarantee everyone is getting an equal education.

not everyone needs an equal education in terms of rote learning of the same things and standardized testing is a mirage created by testing companies.
 
because I like seeing people take positions on things

Most statisticians realize you get more honest answers and participation in polls if people know their identity is shielded. If you require people to identify themselves, the desire to project an image can affect tge accuracy of the poll.
 
Most statisticians realize you get more honest answers and participation in polls if people know their identity is shielded. If you require people to identify themselves, the desire to project an image can affect tge accuracy of the poll.

that's hardly the point of DP
 
not everyone needs an equal education in terms of rote learning of the same things and standardized testing is a mirage created by testing companies.

When there are people getting out of high school who cannot read, there is a problem. There are certain base skills that *EVERYONE* needs.
 
When there are people getting out of high school who cannot read, there is a problem.
It depends on why they cannot read. If they cannot read because they are dyslexic, or if they mentally cannot handle the strain or because they were too lazy in school to learn, is that really a problem? The first two are mental issues and no amount of general education will ever fix it (they would need specialized education). If it's because they were too lazy to learn, then there are plenty of janitorial and food service jobs ready to accept them.

It's only a problem when people who want to read, but education failed them, graduate. At that point, the school needs serious reform.
 
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