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Nationalizing the Education System

Nationalize Schools?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 18.9%
  • No

    Votes: 53 71.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 7 9.5%

  • Total voters
    74

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I know that seeing as the Federal Government is not given the power to meddle with education, and that allows the state to assume that power, the Constitution though does state that the Federal Government has the power to do things that will provide for the general welfare. Would you support such a measure to nationalize schools? Feel free to explain your vote!
 
While funding education is something that governments can do at the STATE level. I think at the STATE level the government should not be providing the service itself. At the Federal Level there should not be any regulation of education whatsoever and giving the history funding for College level may have to be re-thought. So I would be dead set against the Federalization of education much less the Nationalization of education. In short not No, but HELL NO.
 
Education should be completely privatized. Get rid of all public schooling in favor of private schools.
 
Education should be completely privatized. Get rid of all public schooling in favor of private schools.

Ah yes because when only an elite few are allowed to be educated nothing bad ever happens.

For more see the effects of favouritism in education in regards to post colonial countries.

Where only one tribal group or social elites get education... tends to turn out quite badly.
 
Ah yes because when only an elite few are allowed to be educated nothing bad ever happens.

For more see the effects of favouritism in education in regards to post colonial countries.

Where only one tribal group or social elites get education... tends to turn out quite badly.

How do you know that only an elite few would be educated? I would suspect that if there were a market for affordable private schooling, that demand would be met. For those few who really can't afford to send their kids to school, I would support some sort of government assistance to help them out.

I think every kid has a right to an education.... don't get me twisted. I just think that education ought to be privatized and that the parents should have a choice where to send their kids.
 
I just think that education ought to be privatized and that the parents should have a choice where to send their kids.

They already do.

The thing that you're pissed about is that there aren't more schools teaching kids that dinosaurs and human lived together.
 
dinosaurs and human lived together.

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They already do.

The thing that you're pissed about is that there aren't more schools teaching kids that dinosaurs and human lived together.

The only dinosaur I wish to discuss is the antiquated public schooling system, an idea that is well past its time. Assisted free markets work, if you let them. We know this.

One free market principle in particular, competition, would be especially beneficial for our schools.

American schools consistently score below where we would like them to, and why is that? Could it be, partly, because our classroom sizes are too large, our teachers are under-trained, and the teachers unions make it nearly impossible to operate with any kind of efficiency?
 
The only dinosaur I wish to discuss is the antiquated public schooling system, an idea that is well past its time. Assisted free markets work, if you let them. We know this.

Doesn't seem to be working in American healthcare that's for sure.
 
American schools consistently score below where we would like them to, and why is that? Could it be, partly, because our classroom sizes are too large, our teachers are under-trained, and the teachers unions make it nearly impossible to operate with any kind of efficiency?

How would privatisation solve those issues? Classrooms would be larger for more profit, teacher qualification requirements could go down, to maximise profit, and the union could still be a pain in the arse.
 
Do you live in an alternate dimension or something?

To even ask that question shows a complete lack of awareness of current events.

No, I actually live in America, and participate in the American healthcare system. Unlike you.

But you're right, what the hell do I know.
 
How would privatisation solve those issues? Classrooms would be larger for more profit, teacher qualification requirements could go down, to maximise profit, and the union could still be a pain in the arse.

More choice. If you don't like a given school, say because classroom sizes are inadequate or you believe the teachers are unqualified, you simply pull your kid out of that school and put them in a better one.

Kind of like changing lanes when you're driving your car.... if you don't like the lane you're in, switch to a better one and get where you're going faster.

Competitive pressure would mean that schools would fight with each other to be the best... all to society's benefit.
 
More choice. If you don't like a given school, say because classroom sizes are inadequate or you believe the teachers are unqualified, you simply pull your kid out of that school and put them in a better one.

Kind of like changing lanes when you're driving your car.... if you don't like the lane you're in, switch to a better one and get where you're going faster.

Competitive pressure would mean that schools would fight with each other to be the best... all to society's benefit.

Until you get the Walmart of schools. Not to mention market forces would ensure poor areas get ****ty schools, and so the poor would stay poor. I'll admit government schools don't do much better in that area, but at least there's the potential for improvement.
 
I'll be ready for this thread in coming days
I'm tired from helping chaperone our high school's prom tonight.
Several admins and teachers will be there all night.
My 33 years teaching Chem/physics, 30 in Illinois and 3 in Iowa,
should provide diversity. As will the semester I'm doing in a Northeast
state right now.
Some states like this one have towns that only have private schools.
However, there is a state law requiring these towns to take in public kids
within town borders.
This state has school choice. Unfortunately for the chosen school, the state
aid does not follow the student.
As my Air Force Dad would say, we have 50 buckets of **it.
Though I have heard great things about New York state.
I am normally fiercely against state's rights.
However, one of Kennedy's two horrendous legacies was his agreement
with Bush on NCLB.
As a retired teacher who is now back for a maximum of one
semester a year, I can assure you we are doing our best.
How do you feel about high schoolers averaging 23,000 text messages
per month? How easy do you think it is to stop them from texting in class.
Most on this thread will be part of the problem instead of the solution because
you offer zero knowledgeable specific solutions.
Instead, it will be the same canned complaints.

You can start with the new laws. Common-Core, highly-qualified, next generation.
Then there is the ACT, SAT, regional tests like the NECAP that Maine opted out of
in science, state tests, and states with exemptions to tests so they
don't lose Federal monies tied to NCLB.

And now we're heading into electronic portfolios for each kid which I personally liken
to an IEP/504 for each kid. More layers of fat.
One program I do like is FLBA and reaching certified in as many levels of
of Microsoft as possible along with internships here.
College internships have always been awesome but they are now entering the high schools.

Good Night.
 
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I'll be ready for this thread in coming days
I'm tired from helping chaperone our high school's prom tonight.
Several admins and teachers will be there all night.
My 33 years teaching Chem/physics, 30 in Illinois and 3 in Iowa,
should provide diversity. As will the semester I'm doing in a Northeast
state right now.
Some states like this one have towns that only have private schools.
However, there is a state law requiring these towns to take in public kids
within town borders.
This state had school choice. Unfortunately for the chosen school, the state
aid does not follow the student.
As my Air Force Dad would say, we have 50 buckets of **it.
Though I have heard great things about New York state.
I am normally fiercely against state's rights.
However, one of Kennedy's two horrendous legacies was his agreement
with Bush on NCLB.
As a retired teacher who is now back for a maximum of one
semester a year, I can assure you we are doing our best.
How do you feel about high schoolers averaging 23,000 text messages
per month? How easy do you think it is to stop them from texting in class.
Most on this thread will be part of the problem instead of the solution because
you offer zero knowledgeable specific solutions.
Instead, it will be the same canned complaints.

You can start with the new laws. Common-Core, highly-qualified, next generation.
Then there is the ACT, SAT, regional tests like the NECAP that Maine opted out of
in science, state tests, and states with exemptions to tests so they
don't lose Federal monies tied to NCLB.

And noe we're heading into electronic portfolios for each kid which I personally liken
to an IEP/504 for each kid. More layers of fat.
One program I do like is FLBA and necking certified in as many levels of
of Microsoft ad possible along with intervening here.
College internecine have always been awesome nut they are noe entering the high schools.

Good Night.

I will say this: I am glad you are a "chem/physics" teacher and not an English teacher. Still, reading (or attempting to read) what you've written sends chills down my spine. Is it any wonder so many of our kids can't adequately express themselves in written form?
 
Until you get the Walmart of schools. Not to mention market forces would ensure poor areas get ****ty schools, and so the poor would stay poor. I'll admit government schools don't do much better in that area, but at least there's the potential for improvement.

We have plenty of run-down schools today. Poor areas have ****ty schools today. This is reality. Our bad public schools are abysmal, our good public schools are mediocre. At what point have the American people had enough?

Public schooling is a black hole that sucks up funding and gives us very little return. It's time to shake up the system with some fresh ideas.

It's time to take the best part of America - our ingenuity, our enterprising attitude and our pluck - and put that to work creating a privatized school system that caters to everyone.
 
I will say this: I am glad you are a "chem/physics" teacher and not an English teacher. Still, reading (or attempting to read) what you've written sends chills down my spine. Is it any wonder so many of our kids can't adequately express themselves in written form?

My iPhone is difficult to type with. I began editing right after I posted. Your post exudes what is wrong. All complaint and zero specific knowledgeable solutions. Now try reading the edit for understanding and then go to your state's web-site for education. Illinois is isbe.net
See what today's educators must deal with. I'm glad I started in 1976. And we haven't touched on how today's educators are being screwed on future pensions due to political malfeasance.
 
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Unequal funding and unequal schools is a legacy not a myth.
Rich, collar-county high schools in Illinois are better than so many
community colleges. Students come out with 30 semester hours of college credit and they are the real deal.
Chicago is making progress by trying to break up large, poor high schools and replace them with public charters.
Rahm is no friend to any of the city unions as you saw
with the teacher's strike. Yet Repubs will not acknowledge this.
We have plenty of run-down schools today. Poor areas have ****ty schools today. This is reality. Our bad public schools are abysmal, our good public schools are mediocre. At what point have the American people had enough?

Public schooling is a black hole that sucks up funding and gives us very little return. It's time to shake up the system with some fresh ideas.

It's time to take the best part of America - our ingenuity, our enterprising attitude and our pluck - and put that to work creating a privatized school system that caters to everyone.
 
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Doesn't seem to be working in American healthcare that's for sure.

Actually it works pretty well so long as your metric is quality of care. The government screws with our healthcare system in alot of ways that have the result of jacking up prices, however, and so our system is needlessly expensive.


That being said, forcing public education into competition for students with private options is the best of both worlds. That's why our collegiate system is the best in the world; it's why more people come here to study than anywhere else. Again, government messing around has caused prices to rise needlessly, and that needs to be addressed.

But nationalizing education? What an awful idea. The DoE needs dramatic reduction, not expansion.
 
And we haven't touched on how today's educators are being screwed on future pensions due to political malfeasance.

Golly Gee Willickers, Baby Boomers voted themselves awesome benefits but then also voted not to delay gratification in order to be able to afford them? Color me astonished!
 
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