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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I want every single school, without exception, to be required a minimum standard curriculum. That goes for public, private and home schools. There are no exceptions for any reason. People can teach more than the minimum standards, but not less and every single kid is going to be tested, without exception, to see that they are learning this curriculum. It's the only way to guarantee everyone is getting an equal education.
    not everyone needs an equal education in terms of rote learning of the same things and standardized testing is a mirage created by testing companies.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Most statisticians realize you get more honest answers and participation in polls if people know their identity is shielded. If you require people to identify themselves, the desire to project an image can affect tge accuracy of the poll.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    not everyone needs an equal education in terms of rote learning of the same things and standardized testing is a mirage created by testing companies.
    When there are people getting out of high school who cannot read, there is a problem. There are certain base skills that *EVERYONE* needs.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    When there are people getting out of high school who cannot read, there is a problem.
    It depends on why they cannot read. If they cannot read because they are dyslexic, or if they mentally cannot handle the strain or because they were too lazy in school to learn, is that really a problem? The first two are mental issues and no amount of general education will ever fix it (they would need specialized education). If it's because they were too lazy to learn, then there are plenty of janitorial and food service jobs ready to accept them.

    It's only a problem when people who want to read, but education failed them, graduate. At that point, the school needs serious reform.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    They already do.

    The thing that you're pissed about is that there aren't more schools teaching kids that dinosaurs and human lived together.
    The thing I am pissed about is that there aren't more choices for those parents willing to take responsible actions in their kids education. The poor have no choice. It's poor public schools or no school. The rich are paying double for their child's education. The middle class is faced with public school or the same double situation at a severe dent in the family budget.

    Try school vouchers. All benefit from choice, the responsible poor more so than the rich and the middle class.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    When there are people getting out of high school who cannot read, there is a problem. There are certain base skills that *EVERYONE* needs.
    Being able to read and making everyone read the same things are 2 very different issues.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    The thing I am pissed about is that there aren't more choices for those parents willing to take responsible actions in their kids education.
    This is false, choices exist. The choices may not be ideal or possible, but they do exist.

    The poor have no choice. It's poor public schools or no school.
    They also don't have a choice in where they live...it's either a trailer or no home. They don't have a choice on food...it's either unhealthy food or no food.

    The problem isn't the educational system, but rather the income status. So instead of trying to change a symptom, change the cause.

    The rich are paying double for their child's education.
    Which is their choice. They do not have to.

    The middle class is faced with public school or the same double situation at a severe dent in the family budget.
    How would that change? If there are three public schools in a city and one private school, how would having the option to attend X school or Y school change the fact they are receiving services from the same school district? And if they all choose to attend the private school, how is the private school going to be able to support all those students (books, technology, classrooms, teachers, etc.), when they do not receive financial support from the government?

    Try school vouchers. All benefit from choice
    The people who keep advocating this never bother to think this through. How would school vouchers help? Let's say I'm a troublemaking student from a poor family. Do you think I'm going to willingly go to a "bad" school? School vouchers would not change a single thing about the educational system, except enhance the shift towards educating those with money and leaving behind those without it.

    Schools don't CHOOSE to be bad. Most schools will do the best with what they have. Some schools have much better financial resources than others. Some schools exist in better neighborhoods than others. Some schools have a student population which place a lower value on education than others. These factors determine quality of education. The idea that "competition" will improve schools is false, as long as school attendance is compulsory. All you would be doing is adding to the problems.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Nothing is stopping you from doing that right now.


    That's bull. Schools would fight each other to be the most profitable, however that can be accomplished.
    Then it would be up to the parents to make sure that the most profitable would also be the best place for their child to get an education.

    What is stopping the middle class from exercising their desire to get the best education for their child is funds. These same middle class will research ballet schools to determine those with the best program and that is where the kids go. In education the middle class have no choice. At $10,000/child, combined with need to still pay their taxes, that straps the family budget.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    The states and local districts have totally failed, so I'm for trying something else.

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