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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    anonymous polls suck



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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Jurist--Paper Chase--Louisiana Supreme Court votes down vouchers 6-1
    I have read very little of it. I'm too busy teaching and all.

    I'm here as a 4th year retired but still teaching teacher.

    I woke up in late morning on my birthday and turned on the TV. It was Sandy Hook. I went back to SchoolSpring and K12Jobspot and found a 2nd semester.

    4 years is a lot of time to make up. I missed everything, including the names I get called and the texting. Education is one of the few topics I believe should remain a state's right or lower.

    With complicated funding and different funding mechanisms in each state and schools that are broke, vouchers would hurt large, poor schools that remain behind. In my adopted state, students have school choice but their money doesn't follow them. We are being penalized for being better.

    And now, it's back to homework.
    Doesn't sound very interesting, think I will stick with learning programming necessary to adapt a self learning conversational AI into robotic controls utilizing a dispersed WAN like the internet for utilization in dispersed manufacturing of my power systems and weapon systems designs.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Teachers did not vote themselves awesome benefits. No one did.
    On the contrary, the teachers unions have proven incredibly politically powerful at the state and local levels.

    Get educated and then prove how awesome they are. Specific is terrific.
    you want me to go pull out all the stats' we've rehashed a thousand times again? I can tell you what they say - Teacher Pay is below average for a Masters Degree in our economy, which is to be expected because the Education Masters is that mostly in name only. Teachers compensation however, once you begin to include benefits and especially retirement benefits, is disproportionate.

    We therefore have created a training pipeline and compensation model perfectly designed to attract the middle to low performing, risk averse performers. We need to reduce non-income compensation in order to increase pay, and then we need to make both the pipeline and the pay competitive. Then we will start attracting higher performers.

    On the other hand, admins do have awesome benefits but if you knew a very small fraction of the heavy burdens they carry with our students et al. I've seen them listen to a crying teacher most of the night who just lost a child. Yet they're back the next day bound by the laws of confidentiality.
    While I'm glad we have admins that do that (we have many as well who do not), that doesn't really create a value-added that demands that all our education employees receive certain compensation packages. I've done my share of the stay-up-all-night-mourning, and have no desire to do it ever again, but I'm not sure that particular part of my job merits me a raise when we're trying to figure out how to save the nations' fisc.

    Going to college and racking up debt
    Is unfortunate and often stupid. By and large the 35 and under crowd was sold a bag of goods on college - which is why most of them fail to finish in 4 years (and those who do find themselves in careers way outside of their area of study), but do pick up debt.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    cpwill--with all due respect, this is to you but I did not copy your post--
    In my current adopted state, our school has an FLBA program that industry
    Certifies our kids to the top level of Microsoft and also allows for internships.

    My wife at 62 says she won't retire and is beloved at school.
    That means I don't have to buy pension insurance.
    If I'm fortunate, I'll be a 2nd semester teacher forever.

    It is a shame to me that the conversation so quickly breaks down
    to conservatives saying this or that negative whether it is
    about teachers, gun control, social programs and the rest.

    And vice-versa.

    And so long Sergio Garcia.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm okay with students being required to exceed standards in competency every few years based on their grade level. I just don't want a federal public school monopoly where everybody except the wealthy are forced to enroll their kids. Federal school options I'm also fine with as long as its a choice, not the only option thus making it a requirement.

    I think the federal government already operates public schools at US military bases overseas. Maybe somebody can offer more enlightenment. Plus with new technology, my state operates an online accredited public school for all grade levels as an option for parents who'd rather not send their kids to a traditional public school. Giving parents options is I think what's needed.
    I live in California, not overseas. Most service members have their children enrolled in public schools in the US. But they still have to move from one state to another, in the case of Navy, from one coast to another, and face completely different standards. And then there is also when the service members get out and have to move their families and do it again.

    I'm all for various options for parents, but that is part of the problem. Not all areas offer those options. It is either expensive private school (which is too expensive for a vast majority of families, especially those in the areas that are not so great) or brick and mortar public school or homeschooling (which is not a realistic option for many families because both parents work).
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    No, I'd support the privatization of all schools.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I would have no problem with that until the last couple of years when courses differ by student interest. Of course, I'd rather dump the last two years completely to be replaced by junior college or trade school - but that's for another thread.
    Electives fall into a different category, but you ought to have mandatory courses taught at the same level across the board. We also ought to bring back shop classes to start training kids in high school work skills.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm okay with students being required to exceed standards in competency every few years based on their grade level. I just don't want a federal public school monopoly where everybody except the wealthy are forced to enroll their kids. Federal school options I'm also fine with as long as its a choice, not the only option thus making it a requirement.
    I want every single school, without exception, to be required a minimum standard curriculum. That goes for public, private and home schools. There are no exceptions for any reason. People can teach more than the minimum standards, but not less and every single kid is going to be tested, without exception, to see that they are learning this curriculum. It's the only way to guarantee everyone is getting an equal education.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    anonymous polls suck
    Why do you think that?
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Why do you think that?
    because I like seeing people take positions on things



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