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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't recall any public school system requiring adults to attend school. Do you know of any?
    Perhaps you recall that before 1862 there was zero Federal involvement and that was just allocating lands for colleges. Then Federal involvement increased dramatically after WWII.

    If the Federal Government decides that something is for the General Welfare of the country, what isn't possible?

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    and this has what to do with the topic being discussed?
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and this has what to do with the topic being discussed?
    Same road, different country...

    The Nazi Model For Outcome-Based Education

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Same road, different country...

    The Nazi Model For Outcome-Based Education
    So every nation which has national standards for education went Nazi? Unless that is true - you are really way way way off base with this comparison.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So every nation which has national standards for education went Nazi? Unless that is true - you are really way way way off base with this comparison.
    Based on other policies of late, the similarities are disturbing.

    I'd prefer local entities be responsible for what is taught in the classroom.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    So, Godwin is proved right again.

    Alihajisheik is right too, with this one:

    If the Federal Government decides that something is for the General Welfare of the country, what isn't possible?
    That's the real question.

    Practically any abuse of federal government power can be justified by its supporters by citing that clause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Granted to it through the US Constitution. I consider the individual opinions of founders to be irrelevant next to the actual document they gave us - the US Constitution - so I do not bother with such irrelevancies.

    One can indeed find levels of support through such founders as Hamilton. Report on Manufacturers 1791





    However, I do NOT hinge my view upon that and even though the Hamilton view agrees with mine, it is still irrelevant next to the Constitutional language itself.
    The supreme court and the states all agreed to the constitution with a different interpretation. The supreme court later changed its view, and that happened due to coercion from the executive branch.

    As for supreme court rulings in favor of your opinion, the court has been wrong a number of times (like in the case of slavery), are we all just supposed to submit to the court's rule until they change their mind? Internment camps, slavery, etc are just to be lived with until they have a change of heart?

    Also, their opinions on the matter are the wholly important factors, because the constitution is made to be interpreted two ways: the way it was intended at its creation, and in a manner that leaves the most desicions/freedoms to its sovereign (the states/the people).

    Why can't you people just leave the decisions to the states and fight to make your states he utopia you imagine? Why does this have to be a national system at all?
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    I don't mind "national standards" so much as I mind a federal agency being intrusted with education in general.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The only reason I want central control (and it doesn't necessarily have to be government but I don't see how else it could be done) is to ensure consistency across the board. Every single school in every single town in every single state ought to be teaching the same thing at the same general time (at least in the same grade level). The purpose of schools are to teach facts. The facts don't change based on what state you're in. 1+1=2 is true no matter where you are, just because some group of crazies takes over a school board and insists that 1+1=3, that should never be acceptable.
    I don't think the teaching of facts is the issue. Yeah, there's a few Creationists who want to change science classes but that is miniscule compared to the overall problem.
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