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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't think he ever said that would be the case. What's wrong with a school voucher being issued to every child's parents to use at any accredited school?
    Even RED state Supreme Courts are ruling vouchers unconstitutional.
    I think we all know where the politics of vouchers is intended to go.

    All 50 states have incredibly different education systems.
    The idea of combining them under NCLB in 2001 by Bush and Kennedy was ludicrous.

    As I finish this semester over 1,000 miles from my pension state, I am
    reminded of my undergraduate college motto:
    "And Gladly Would He Learn And Gladly Teach"
    I learned this was "Old English" from Chaucer when my students
    Gave me a plaque with this imprinted on the plaque when I left for another
    High school in another state in 1990.

    We must learn to channel the inner thoughts of our students away from averaging 23,000 texts a month and it will take far more than a Village.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Even RED state Supreme Courts are ruling vouchers unconstitutional.
    I think we all know where the politics of vouchers is intended to go.

    All 50 states have incredibly different education systems.
    The idea of combining them under NCLB in 2001 by Bush and Kennedy was ludicrous.

    As I finish this semester over 1,000 miles from my pension state, I am
    reminded of my undergraduate college motto:
    "And Gladly Would He Learn And Gladly Teach"
    I learned this was "Old English" from Chaucer when my students
    Gave me a plaque with this imprinted on the plaque when I left for another
    High school in another state in 1990.

    We must learn to channel the inner thoughts of our students away from averaging 23,000 texts a month and it will take far more than a Village.
    1) How is it unconstitutional?

    2) What is your problem with it?

    Why do you want only rich kids to be able to go to high quality schools? If someone is in a ****ty public school district and isn't rich, they're just ****ed. Only rich people can afford to pull their kids out and put them into private school.

    If they got a voucher, schools could compete, and the higher quality schools would do better. As of now there is zero incentive, and it shows in the piss poor quality of our public education system. Pardon me, but I don't like the rich having a massive advantage over others. Maybe that's your thing.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And I don't want to because the point is not the teachers; the point is the quality of education. It's about the underperformance of the students in comparison to students in other countries.

    Less federal "involvement" is needed, not more.
    It cannot be proven that less "federal involvement" is needed when the fact is that the countries we are behind have far more federal involvement and are very often accused of being wicked socialist.

    We could start with parents not texting their kids in class when I'm trying to teach them. 23,000 texts a month? Yet every issue turns into bash the Feds. What a joke this country's turned into.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    And I don't want to because the point is not the teachers; the point is the quality of education. It's about the underperformance of the students in comparison to students in other countries.

    Less federal "involvement" is needed, not more.
    Broken homes--will these circles ever be unbroken--parents should be required to attend albumin of BOE meeting. Though I offered extra credit, I still only got 16 % of parents on conference day which is pathetic for Chrmistry.

    Yet I had an awesome single mom who should also get a Father's day card for all she does.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    It cannot be proven that less "federal involvement" is needed when the fact is that the countries we are behind have far more federal involvement and are very often accused of being wicked socialist.

    We could start with parents not texting their kids in class when I'm trying to teach them. 23,000 texts a month? Yet every issue turns into bash the Feds. What a joke this country's turned into.
    The joke may be on you if you are trying to tie in socialism with the ability to read, write, and do math.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    1) How is it unconstitutional?

    2) What is your problem with it?

    Why do you want only rich kids to be able to go to high quality schools? If someone is in a ****ty public school district and isn't rich, they're just ****ed. Only rich people can afford to pull their kids out and put them into private school.

    If they got a voucher, schools could compete, and the higher quality schools would do better. As of now there is zero incentive, and it shows in the piss poor quality of our public education system. Pardon me, but I don't like the rich having a massive advantage over others. Maybe that's your thing.
    1) Ask the RED state Supreme Courts.
    2) What is your problem accusing me of favoring rich kids?
    You can'tor find this in text or between the lines.
    My whole career has been with poor kids.
    You know not of what you speak. Just empty generalizations to divide from the right.
    3) All I hear from you is angry Rand Paul/Rush Limbaugh talking points.
    Both have marginalized themselves

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Broken homes--will these circles ever be unbroken--parents should be required to attend albumin of BOE meeting. Though I offered extra credit, I still only got 16 % of parents on conference day which is pathetic for Chrmistry.

    Yet I had an awesome single mom who should also get a Father's day card for all she does.
    I agree with you wholeheartedly about parental involvement. As I've said in other posts, I think both Candidates McCain and Obama had strong ideas for reforming education, and now-President Obama is correct: Education begins at home.

    BTW, I was a single parent and very often had to commute out of town for my job, but I always attended school activities, knew the teachers, and participated in report-card stuffing, etc. It's not easy, but if you value your children's education, you have to try.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    1) Ask the RED state Supreme Courts.
    2) What is your problem accusing me of favoring rich kids?
    You can'tor find this in text or between the lines.
    My whole career has been with poor kids.
    You know not of what you speak. Just empty generalizations to divide from the right.
    3) All I hear from you is angry Rand Paul/Rush Limbaugh talking points.
    Both have marginalized themselves
    1) So you refuse to provide citation for your claims? Is that what you teach your kids? I'm glad my teachers were pretty competent.

    2) You're also refusing to explain what your problem with vouchers is? You can't even give a few reasons? Now that I know you're a teacher your opposition is making a LOT more sense. You don't want competition. If it were up to me I wouldn't want my government secured job to be threatened by people who tried either.

    3) I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm expressing my views, and REASONS behind them, you're just complaining.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    The US Postal Service has given me little confidence in the federal government running any important service related agency, especially one that operates essentially as a monopoly. Add TSA. I could list others.

    I'd be okay with the federal government running SOME schools but only as an option parents coud choose instead. Then if their is any power to choose offered parents, the same public school system runs all the schools from which they can choose. IMHO part of the disaster of the public school system is institutionalizing no choice for parents unless they're wealthy enough to afford private school tuition. I think the best solution would be offer a variety of options for families to choose. The federal government can offer their options along with the regular public school and private schools. All schools will try their hardest to be the best because they will want as many families as possible to pick them instead of other schools. Each parent gets a 100% of cost tax credit reimbursing them the cost of tuition.
    The Postal Service has been sabotaged by the Republicans for 7 years. Even honest Repubs have admitted this.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    1) So you refuse to provide citation for your claims? Is that what you teach your kids? I'm glad my teachers were pretty competent.

    2) You're also refusing to explain what your problem with vouchers is? You can't even give a few reasons? Now that I know you're a teacher your opposition is making a LOT more sense. You don't want competition. If it were up to me I wouldn't want my government secured job to be threatened by people who tried either.

    3) I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm expressing my views, and REASONS behind them, you're just complaining.
    You started the hating and complaining on public schools
    but you can'tor take the rebound.
    Though retired and still teaching, you haven't a clue in regards
    to government protected jobs when the laws have changed dramatically.
    Even righties on here don't play the give me a link game.
    My high school kids would have you for lunch.

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