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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    I agree that the states did not ratify with the understanding that they were granting plenary legislative power to the government of the union. The union was sold and ratified as having specific, limited, and enumerated powers. It's preposterous to imagine that the sovereign states would submit to a treaty that gave their agent unlimited powers, including the power to exit their treaty. Such a ratification would be tantamount to a suicide pact.
    yes, the states would have NEVER ratified the Constitution if the new government had unlimited power, and the states would have to give up their sovereignty.

    the evidence is so clear of what the founders intended, which is a limited government.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Wrong.

    Congress has no power to provide for the general welfare. It has the power to tax, and it has several other enumerated powers. It has no power to provide for the general welfare.
    The Constitution says otherwise despite your willful ideologically induced blindness.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes, the states would have NEVER ratified the Constitution if the new government had unlimited power, and the states would have to give up their sovereignty.

    the evidence is so clear of what the founders intended, which is a limited government.
    Obviously. It is only the power-hungry centralists who wish to pervert the language of the constitution to serve their ends (which is to control the people of other states) who don't see this.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Thank you for that list.

    And that last one covers the ability to enact programs or spending on behalf of providing for the general welfare.



    Put the start of the Article together with the end of that list and its very clear that Congress has the power to provide for the general welfare and may pass any laws they feel are necessary and proper to achieve that.

    I get that right wing ideologues who hate government don't like that reality. tough. That is the way the Constitution reads.

    no, it does not.

    it means congress can make additional laws which pertain to its 18 duties....foregoing powers

    example, the congress as the power of our money system, therefore anything to do with our money, meaning the coining and printing congress can make a law,......like making it illegal to own rag paper, the same kind as the u.s. government uses to make our dollar.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Constitution says otherwise despite your willful ideologically induced blindness.
    You obviously have reading comprehension issues.

    The constitution says that congress has the power to tax to provide for the general welfare. The power to tax. Not the power to provide for the general welfare.

    The constitution contradicts your position, not mine.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Obviously. It is only the power-hungry centralists who wish to pervert the language of the constitution to serve their ends (which is to control the people of other states) who don't see this.
    some people believe having an all powerful state is the way to go.

    however history has proven as the state becomes more powerful, it becomes more corrupt and tyrannical.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    some people believe having an all powerful state is the way to go.

    however history has proven as the state becomes more powerful, it becomes more corrupt and tyrannical.
    In every mugging, there is the victim and the mugger. The victim objects to the crime, but the mugger sees it as absolutely necessary an proper to achieve his ends.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    In every mugging, there is the victim and the mugger. The victim objects to the crime, but the mugger sees it as absolutely necessary an proper to achieve his ends.
    "the ends justify the means", is the common language people use today, to justify governments concentration of power and it unconstitutional measures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no, it does not.

    it means congress can make additional laws which pertain to its 18 duties....foregoing powers

    example, the congress as the power of our money system, therefore anything to do with our money, meaning the coining and printing congress can make a law,......like making it illegal to own rag paper, the same kind as the u.s. government uses to make our dollar.
    Only the right wing believes that.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    "the ends justify the means", is the common language people use today, to justify governments concentration of power and it unconstitutional measures.
    A written constitution is an interesting idea, but paper doesn't have the power to constrain government.

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