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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    A refusal to enforce federal law is not what I call nullification. Making it illegal to enforce federal law within a state is what I call nullification - and it'll never fly. Like I said, Missouri has such a law but I have as yet to see anyone thrown in jail or even fined for enforcing federal law.
    Refusal to enforce is the definition, but alright. Even so, it happened when the northern states refused to follow federal laws requiring slaves to be sent back to their owners, and it happened when states refused to take part in prohibition. It also happens every time a jury decides in favor of a defendant, when the juries refuse to recognize the charges as crimes (which happened in about 60% of all prohibition cases). Also, the verbage of both Kansas's and Missouri's pro-2A laws actually use the words null and void. To nullify is to make something 'null'...

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're welcome to do that too if you really want to. Gun barrel in your mouth and have a nice day.
    Nah, not the suicide type.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    Refusal to enforce is the definition, but alright. Even so, it happened when the northern states refused to follow federal laws requiring slaves to be sent back to their owners, and it happened when states refused to take part in prohibition. It also happens every time a jury decides in favor of a defendant, when the juries refuse to recognize the charges as crimes (which happened in about 60% of all prohibition cases). Also, the verbage of both Kansas's and Missouri's pro-2A laws actually use the words null and void. To nullify is to make something 'null'...
    Yes, I've read the law (at least mine) and am well aware of what it says. I also know no one has been imprisoned or fined for a violation of that law regardless of what it says. When we manage to convict someone for enforcing or following federal law I'll believe your stance. Until then, the State politicians are just pissing in the wind to win votes.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're welcome to do that too if you really want to. Gun barrel in your mouth and have a nice day.
    I can also fight against what is wrong. Note here that "fight against" does not necessarily mean violence.

    The biggest and most telling argument against Nationalizing education is the abuses in the system. Abuses that already exist from the Fed sticking it's nose in anyway. Our schools have quit educating the young, they focus on brain washing them into liberal ideals.

    Unfortunately, the following comes from local news articles over time and I don't have links, but the following was what has been on that news at various times.

    In Oklahoma, 65% of schools in the OKC/Norman metropolitan area failed to meet standards for math, English and sciences. The majority of high school seniors in Oklahoma could not find Louisiana on a map. However, almost all students could give brief oral history of Martin Luther King, jr. They could also explain to you that global warming is real and caused by automobile emission. This is just a couple of quick items, not a full list. Funny, they can tell you all about liberal things that do nothing to prepare them for the job market but cannot muster skills necessary to enter the job market.

    A friend of mine actually had her 13 year old daughter ask her if it was ok not to be homosexual. Apparently the homosexual tolerance education in her local school had gotten to the point that normal students were made to feel ashamed of being normal. Strange, that school is also one of the worse academically performing ones in the city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I can also fight against what is wrong. Note here that "fight against" does not necessarily mean violence.

    The biggest and most telling argument against Nationalizing education is the abuses in the system. Abuses that already exist from the Fed sticking it's nose in anyway. Our schools have quit educating the young, they focus on brain washing them into liberal ideals.

    Unfortunately, the following comes from local news articles over time and I don't have links, but the following was what has been on that news at various times.

    In Oklahoma, 65% of schools in the OKC/Norman metropolitan area failed to meet standards for math, English and sciences. The majority of high school seniors in Oklahoma could not find Louisiana on a map. However, almost all students could give brief oral history of Martin Luther King, jr. They could also explain to you that global warming is real and caused by automobile emission. This is just a couple of quick items, not a full list. Funny, they can tell you all about liberal things that do nothing to prepare them for the job market but cannot muster skills necessary to enter the job market.

    A friend of mine actually had her 13 year old daughter ask her if it was ok not to be homosexual. Apparently the homosexual tolerance education in her local school had gotten to the point that normal students were made to feel ashamed of being normal. Strange, that school is also one of the worse academically performing ones in the city.
    Martin Luther King, jr. is a "liberal thing"?!? Well, if there was any doubt before we all know where you stand, now.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Martin Luther King, jr. is a "liberal thing"?!? Well, if there was any doubt before we all know where you stand, now.
    Lol... so now he's a racist? Oh brother... anything to stay off topic!

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    Lol... so now he's a racist? Oh brother... anything to stay off topic!
    I didn't call him that and I didn't imply that.

    That YOU just did is an interesting note on YOUR outlook, though. LOL!
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    Lol... so now he's a racist? Oh brother... anything to stay off topic!
    Yep, Apparently actually having students learn to read and write is bad as long as we teach them about MLK. A few months back there was even a fuss about how a Kindergarten student was berated by a teacher because she colored MLK purple instead of black/brown.

    I have no problem with teaching about MLK when they have progressed through history to the point that the Civil rights struggle and that era is being taught. But really, teaching students that, when you haven't even really begun to teach them the three R's, that is political agenda, not education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Yep, Apparently actually having students learn to read and write is bad as long as we teach them about MLK. A few months back there was even a fuss about how a Kindergarten student was berated by a teacher because she colored MLK purple instead of black/brown.

    I have no problem with teaching about MLK when they have progressed through history to the point that the Civil rights struggle and that era is being taught. But really, teaching students that, when you haven't even really begun to teach them the three R's, that is political agenda, not education.
    Which is a great reason to have the curriculum decided at yes lowest level! That way parents have the most say and involvement...

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Criminality is nothing new. Nor is treason.
    Whether something is criminal or treason is often determined by someones point of view. After all, the founding fathers were guilty of treason, from the point of view of the British.
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