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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I know you don't. But I think advocacy of central government control of ed. could lead to unintended consequences.
    The only reason I want central control (and it doesn't necessarily have to be government but I don't see how else it could be done) is to ensure consistency across the board. Every single school in every single town in every single state ought to be teaching the same thing at the same general time (at least in the same grade level). The purpose of schools are to teach facts. The facts don't change based on what state you're in. 1+1=2 is true no matter where you are, just because some group of crazies takes over a school board and insists that 1+1=3, that should never be acceptable.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The only reason I want central control (and it doesn't necessarily have to be government but I don't see how else it could be done) is to ensure consistency across the board. Every single school in every single town in every single state ought to be teaching the same thing at the same general time (at least in the same grade level). The purpose of schools are to teach facts. The facts don't change based on what state you're in. 1+1=2 is true no matter where you are, just because some group of crazies takes over a school board and insists that 1+1=3, that should never be acceptable.
    The only reasons that I somewhat, not totally support a national system is that it removes artificial boundaries and reduces the drain on resources.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Oh sure, they can do it, but they've already agreed to follow the laws of the land and to follow the social contract. Nobody says they have to like what the Supreme Court rules, but they have already agreed to live with that ruling, simply by continuing to live here.
    I can only somewhat agree. While there are problems here that need correcting, there is no place else for some of us to go.

    The country today is not the country I first vowed to support and defend in 1985. What we have today is not what I sacrificed and risked my life for.

    We marched to war to give freedom to our society only to return home to find that most of them have used that freedom to shackle themselves into slavery, now denigrate and demonize our sacrifices and efforts, and the enemy we fought now sits at the head of the table and is being fed the fatted calf.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The people are NOT deciding issues of Constitutionally in place of the Supreme Court. Never have done it and never will do it.

    If you believe so, give me a specific case and a specific action by the people.
    The post you linked were cases where the people exercised their sovereignty in contradiction to the SC. In dredd Scott v Sanford the SC ruled that blacks weren't allowed practically any rights and that the northern states were required to return escaped slaves to their owners. Instead, those states nullified that ruling. I've already posted this whole thing before, but you don't seem to read everything people post. The southern states actually tried to suceed because the federal government was unable to enforce the ruling made by the SC (which can be found in the list of reasons why south Carolina was leaving the union)... there! Case given...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I can only somewhat agree. While there are problems here that need correcting, there is no place else for some of us to go.

    The country today is not the country I first vowed to support and defend in 1985. What we have today is not what I sacrificed and risked my life for.

    We marched to war to give freedom to our society only to return home to find that most of them have used that freedom to shackle themselves into slavery, now denigrate and demonize our sacrifices and efforts, and the enemy we fought now sits at the head of the table and is being fed the fatted calf.
    Sorry but that's just not my problem. You can only pick from among the available choices. Pick the one that you can best live with and deal with the consequences. Nobody ever said that the world was fair.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sorry but that's just not my problem. You can only pick from among the available choices. Pick the one that you can best live with and deal with the consequences. Nobody ever said that the world was fair.
    Actually, there are other choices. And who says I have to "live" with them? I don't know what others think of it, but well, dying is far better than living through hell on earth.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    I agree that people refer to Obama as a dictator. I don't blame them for it though, because the government is hooked on control lately.
    Then you agree with me that conservatives shouldn't get upset when they're asked what they mean by "sovereign". Good!
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then you agree with me that conservatives shouldn't get upset when they're asked what they mean by "sovereign". Good!
    Of course not, there's nothing wrong with clarifying what someone's saying!

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Actually, there are other choices. And who says I have to "live" with them? I don't know what others think of it, but well, dying is far better than living through hell on earth.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Better Dead than Red.
    You're welcome to do that too if you really want to. Gun barrel in your mouth and have a nice day.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Some states seceded from the Union, created the Confederate States of America and went to war against the United States of America. This would, in some cases, lead a person to suspect that, at least once, the "people" chose not to accept the Supreme Court's rulings on Constitutionality. While not successfully, those people certainly placed themselves above the Supreme Court and "decided" issues of Constitutionality.

    Do you really want the "people" to once again decide issues of "Constitutionality"? Seems it can and has been done, but look at the results of doing so.
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