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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I suppose that would be the sovereign.
    and who is that?
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and who is that?


    The people, haymarket-who-taught-government-for-decades-in-the-public-education-system. The people are sovereign in our form of government.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Do these principles in fine require that the powers of the general government should be limited, and that beyond this limit, the States should be left in possession of their sovereignty and independence? We have seen that in the new government as in the old, the general powers are limited, and that the States in all unenumerated cases, are left in the enjoyment of their sovereign and independent jurisdiction.

    "The words "people of the United States" and "citizens" are synonymous terms, and mean the same thing. They both describe the political body who, according to our republican institutions, form the sovereignty, and who hold the power and conduct the Government through their representatives. They are what we familiarly call the "sovereign people," and every citizen is one of this people, and a constituent member of the sovereignty." Dredd Scott v Sandford, 60 US 393, at pg 404;
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    The people, haymarket-who-taught-government-for-decades-in-the-public-education-system. The people are sovereign in our form of government.
    can you tell me the last time 'the people' decided an issue of constitutionality after it was decided by the US Supreme Court? That was the topic being discussed.

    It is really silly - not to mention petty - that you have such envy of my education and experience that you stoop and lower yourself to taking the cheapest of shots based on your own perverted and skewed intentionally dishonest butchering of what is actually being said and discussed. This is not the first time you have done it and it simply demeans you for engaging in such foolishness.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    I love how anytime education is brought up the solution is always "Dump more money into it". The problem with our education system isn't that we don't put enough money into it, the main issue is it's too standardized. The teachers teach how to take the test, rather than the actual material on the damn test. But what do I know about how teachers teach I was only in High school a year ago. And there are alot of people like me who feel the same way, but nobody listens to us. That and the fact that you aren't going to get someone to learn who doesn't give a **** in the first place.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    can you tell me the last time 'the people' decided an issue of constitutionality after it was decided by the US Supreme Court? That was the topic being discussed.
    Is it your claim that the Supreme Court claiming supremacy over the other branches equates to their right to do so? Or perhaps you can explain to me how in the world that excuses the fact that you did not know who was sovereign in the American political system?

    It is really silly - not to mention petty - that you have such envy of my education and experience that you stoop and lower yourself to taking the cheapest of shots based on your own perverted and skewed intentionally dishonest butchering of what is actually being said and discussed. This is not the first time you have done it and it simply demeans you for engaging in such foolishness.
    I don't have envy of your education. You have a masters in education; if there is a less rigorous masters degree, I am unaware of it. I don't envy your experience, I want to cry that someone so ignorant of so many portions of American political history was allowed to teach American History and Government. You don't make me envious, you make me depressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The fact is that the person in question clearly rejects common terms used in the filed of education and my link to the Minnesota report in which they use the term LOCAL CONTROL as I have been using it clearly demonstrates this.
    It was a Washington document, if I'm not mistaken. And the topic of the document was not about local control, it simply started by mentioning local control, and there have been PLENTY of cases where a government document has been mistaken before...

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Is it your claim that the Supreme Court claiming supremacy over the other branches equates to their right to do so? Or perhaps you can explain to me how in the world that excuses the fact that you did not know who was sovereign in the American political system?
    I've heard many conservatives on this board declare Obama to be a "dictator", so it is not beyond reason to ask what YOU mean by the term "sovereign". Belittling someone who asks what you mean is not the fault of the poster but of your fellow conservatives, and most likely yourself, because of the rhetoric you (pl.) use in many threads. Your post could have easily been (mis)interpreted in that light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    can you tell me the last time 'the people' decided an issue of constitutionality after it was decided by the US Supreme Court? That was the topic being discussed.

    It is really silly - not to mention petty - that you have such envy of my education and experience that you stoop and lower yourself to taking the cheapest of shots based on your own perverted and skewed intentionally dishonest butchering of what is actually being said and discussed. This is not the first time you have done it and it simply demeans you for engaging in such foolishness.
    I'll name a few: prohibition, marijuana nullification, the few states right now that are nullifying federal gun laws, border states enforcing stronger immigration laws, the northern states nullifying the federal slave laws. It's happened plenty of times in our history, the people are the sovereign, in fact, that's kind of how our government's founding document begins...

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The way to change education is to change it all over the nation by eliminating the factory assembly line model that we have used all over all 50 states for the last century or more.
    Because bureaucrats in DC know better than teachers and parents on how to educate children. If NCLB taught us anything its that national govt is not about to divert away from the assembly line model.
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