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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Sure, why not.

    Will be watching how this thread turns out.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I will say this: I am glad you are a "chem/physics" teacher and not an English teacher. Still, reading (or attempting to read) what you've written sends chills down my spine. Is it any wonder so many of our kids can't adequately express themselves in written form?
    My iPhone is difficult to type with. I began editing right after I posted. Your post exudes what is wrong. All complaint and zero specific knowledgeable solutions. Now try reading the edit for understanding and then go to your state's web-site for education. Illinois is isbe.net
    See what today's educators must deal with. I'm glad I started in 1976. And we haven't touched on how today's educators are being screwed on future pensions due to political malfeasance.
    Last edited by NIMBY; 05-12-13 at 02:19 AM.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Unequal funding and unequal schools is a legacy not a myth.
    Rich, collar-county high schools in Illinois are better than so many
    community colleges. Students come out with 30 semester hours of college credit and they are the real deal.
    Chicago is making progress by trying to break up large, poor high schools and replace them with public charters.
    Rahm is no friend to any of the city unions as you saw
    with the teacher's strike. Yet Repubs will not acknowledge this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We have plenty of run-down schools today. Poor areas have ****ty schools today. This is reality. Our bad public schools are abysmal, our good public schools are mediocre. At what point have the American people had enough?

    Public schooling is a black hole that sucks up funding and gives us very little return. It's time to shake up the system with some fresh ideas.

    It's time to take the best part of America - our ingenuity, our enterprising attitude and our pluck - and put that to work creating a privatized school system that caters to everyone.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Doesn't seem to be working in American healthcare that's for sure.
    Actually it works pretty well so long as your metric is quality of care. The government screws with our healthcare system in alot of ways that have the result of jacking up prices, however, and so our system is needlessly expensive.


    That being said, forcing public education into competition for students with private options is the best of both worlds. That's why our collegiate system is the best in the world; it's why more people come here to study than anywhere else. Again, government messing around has caused prices to rise needlessly, and that needs to be addressed.

    But nationalizing education? What an awful idea. The DoE needs dramatic reduction, not expansion.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And we haven't touched on how today's educators are being screwed on future pensions due to political malfeasance.
    Golly Gee Willickers, Baby Boomers voted themselves awesome benefits but then also voted not to delay gratification in order to be able to afford them? Color me astonished!

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    My iPhone is difficult to type with. I began editing right after I posted. Your post exudes what is wrong. All complaint and zero specific knowledgeable solutions. Now try reading the edit for understanding and then go to your state's web-site for education. Illinois is isbe.net
    See what today's educators must deal with. I'm glad I started in 1976. And we haven't touched on how today's educators are being screwed on future pensions due to political malfeasance.
    Pensions, public or otherwise, are economic dinosaurs, and likewise, should be extinct.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    More choice. If you don't like a given school, say because classroom sizes are inadequate or you believe the teachers are unqualified, you simply pull your kid out of that school and put them in a better one.
    Nothing is stopping you from doing that right now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Competitive pressure would mean that schools would fight with each other to be the best... all to society's benefit.
    That's bull. Schools would fight each other to be the most profitable, however that can be accomplished.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    It all depends on what you mean and since the OP was vague, I couldn't really answer. While I think that education ought to be funded locally, I think the curriculum ought to be set nationally so that every single school everywhere is learning the same things at the same time. This has the effect of bypassing local school board stupidity, getting rid of the power over textbook production for large states like California and Texas and making it possible to walk out of one classroom in one state and into another classroom in another state and not be a year ahead or a year behind. We should have national educational standards designed by experts in each given field and nobody ought to be able to opt out.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I know that seeing as the Federal Government is not given the power to meddle with education, and that allows the state to assume that power, the Constitution though does state that the Federal Government has the power to do things that will provide for the general welfare. Would you support such a measure to nationalize schools? Feel free to explain your vote!
    Government intervention has created enough general welfare. States know better than the government what their students need to succeed academically.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Nationalization? No.

    Complete privatization? No.

    Something akin to the concept of what we have now, but reformed.
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