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Thread: Nationalizing the Education System

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    The local districts don't control anything. All they do is administer the education standards passed to then from the stat government.
    Really?! The local districts don't control anything? They control nothing?!

    Would you consider the complete staffing of all persons employed in that district as nothing? Would you consider the actual running of the schools from one day to the next year in and year out as nothing? Would you consider the adoption of the materials, textbooks, planning tools, methodologies, approaches, planning and means used to teach and education children as nothing?

    The word HYPERBOLE does not begin to approach your claim in this regard.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really?! The local districts don't control anything? They control nothing?!

    Would you consider the complete staffing of all persons employed in that district as nothing? Would you consider the actual running of the schools from one day to the next year in and year out as nothing? Would you consider the adoption of the materials, textbooks, planning tools, methodologies, approaches, planning and means used to teach and education children as nothing?

    The word HYPERBOLE does not begin to approach your claim in this regard.
    That's all crap that the district does to execute the tasks given to them by the state. Hence my statement about execution at the district level.... Now will you answer my question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    That's all crap that the district does to execute the tasks given to them by the state. Hence my statement about execution at the district level.... Now will you answer my question?
    Do you actually have any real life experience in the field of education?
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you actually have any real life experience in the field of education?
    I'll have you know, I've taken a couple classes in my day...

    Are you ever gonna answer my question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post

    Let me ask you this: if there was a state that didn't make any state level decisions on education, and specifically prohibited he federal government from funding any education ventures in their state, and left all education matters to the counties or municipalities of its state, what would you call that system?
    I'd really love an answer to this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    I'll have you know, I've taken a couple classes in my day...

    Are you ever gonna answer my question?
    yeah and I have been to a few ball games but I do not tell Larry Bird how to run the Indiana Pacers or how to shoot a jump shot.

    Is this your question?

    Let me ask you this: if there was a state that didn't make any state level decisions on education, and specifically prohibited he federal government from funding any education ventures in their state, and left all education matters to the counties or municipalities of its state, what would you call that system?
    answer: something I have never seen nor heard of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yeah and I have been to a few ball games but I do not tell Larry Bird how to run the Indiana Pacers or how to shoot a jump shot.

    Is this your question?



    answer: something I have never seen nor heard of.
    I'm not trying to tell the state of Michigan how to run their education program, I'm just pointing out that their system isn't a locally controlled one, it's a state education system.

    I didn't ask if you'd seen or heard of it. I'm asking what you would call it. If States mandating specific curriculum requirements is still considered local control (and you're the only one so far who has said that), then what do you call the system I described?
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    And for the record, my belief on this whole situation is that states should be the only one deciding what happens in their state. I don't want the federal government involved; I want states competing against one another for the most effective education programs. If a state finds a private school systems that functions well, or farms the school system out to private businesses and it works hen I want to see the result. I believe in the tenth amendment, because it's the only way to see improvements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    I'm not trying to tell the state of Michigan how to run their education program, I'm just pointing out that their system isn't a locally controlled one, it's a state education system.
    Because you are an outsider in the filed of professional education, you do not understand the terminology used in the field. I provided you the evidence from the State of Washington on what local control meant. But because you are an outsider who is alien to that world and somewhat uneducated to the terminology used in it you fail to properly understand it. In stead you use a different meaning of the word that is not the one being discussed.

    I didn't ask if you'd seen or heard of it. I'm asking what you would call it. If States mandating specific curriculum requirements is still considered local control (and you're the only one so far who has said that), then what do you call the system I described?
    Now you are lying. the State of Washington considers it local control also.

    As to what I would call it.......Wonderland? Fantasyland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Because you are an outsider in the filed of professional education, you do not understand the terminology used in the field. I provided you the evidence from the State of Washington on what local control meant. But because you are an outsider who is alien to that world and somewhat uneducated to the terminology used in it you fail to properly understand it. In stead you use a different meaning of the word that is not the one being discussed.



    Now you are lying. the State of Washington considers it local control also.

    As to what I would call it.......Wonderland? Fantasyland?
    So Americans shouldn't have opinions on politics because we aren't all politicians. None of us should have any say in what electronics to buy because we aren't electronics professionals. I cited a nationally referenced source, which stated exactly what locally controlled schools were (which by the way is a very simple term anyways), and you don't consider that a good enough source, yet your source, which off-handedly referenced local control (a state's opinion, and a document that didn't have anything to do with defining state or local roles in education) and all of the sudden that's an end all of the discussion.

    You're an incredible hypocrite...

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